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04.21.2014 , 09:12 AM | #4381
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
BW WILL lose subs if they allow class changes. How many they will lose is anyone's guess.
Assumption. YOU assume they would, I doubt they would. My guess is zero.
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04.21.2014 , 09:19 AM | #4382
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BW WILL lose subs if they allow class changes.
Doubtful.

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04.21.2014 , 09:51 AM | #4383
Did Wow lose subs when Wow started to allow respecs? When it made respecs painless? When it added dual spec? (Answer: no - and since they added those things everyone has expected them and taken them for granted in all similar games including this one). The only distinction here is that some absolutist and grind-happy nuts can't wrap their heads around the idea that skill tree resets in other games are functionally the same if not identical to AC respecs here.

i can't think of any game that lost subs immediately after giving characters more flexibility with committed leveling decisions (and every single one that i played for any length of time did just that).

i can almost guarantee that a reasonably priced CM AC respec will only make BW money: short term and long term.

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04.21.2014 , 10:09 AM | #4384
Quote: Originally Posted by Savej View Post
Did Wow lose subs when Wow started to allow respecs? When it made respecs painless? When it added dual spec? (Answer: no - and since they added those things everyone has expected them and taken them for granted in all similar games including this one). The only distinction here is that some absolutist and grind-happy nuts can't wrap their heads around the idea that skill tree resets in other games are functionally the same if not identical to AC respecs here.

i can't think of any game that lost subs immediately after giving characters more flexibility with committed leveling decisions (and every single one that i played for any length of time did just that).

i can almost guarantee that a reasonably priced CM AC respec will only make BW money: short term and long term.
respec and class change are two very different things. SWTOR already has respec (field re-specialization legacy unlock), class change would be like:
  • a WoW priest turning into a rogue or warrior (Jedi Sage/Sith Sorcerer --> Jedi Shadow/Sith Assassin = VERY different playstyle)
  • a WoW paladin turning into a monk (Jedi Guardian/Sith Juggernaut --> Jedi Sentinel/Sith Marauder = not terribly different but still different)
  • etc etc etc

I know a lot of players who have played both ACs of a given class and do really well with one and really struggle with the other...and that is WITH having to level a new character. Now magnify that disparity a hundred times when someone changes a level 55 character between ACs.
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04.21.2014 , 10:15 AM | #4385
Quote: Originally Posted by psandak View Post
respec and class change are two very different things. SWTOR already has respec (field re-specialization legacy unlock), class change would be like:
Oh they are not lol! And when you say "Class", I assume you mean AC...which is wrong. There are only 4 classes per faction and this thread isn't about CLASS changing, just AC changing.

AC is basically a tree choice. At least half of your freaking skills are 100% shared no matter which AC you pick and every class shares an entire flippin tree in common, no matter which AC is picked. They should have just made each class have 5 trees.
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04.21.2014 , 10:19 AM | #4386
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Oh they are not lol! And when you say "Class", I assume you mean AC...which is wrong. There are only 4 classes per faction and this thread isn't about CLASS changing, just AC changing.

AC is basically a tree choice. At least half of your freaking skills are 100% shared no matter which AC you pick and every class shares an entire flippin tree in common, no matter which AC is picked. They should have just made each class have 5 trees.
Back in the early days, there was going to be one story for all. At which point your AC became your class. When they added in separate stories your "class" became your story, and AC become play style, the tree became your sepc.

Per the devs. AC is you class so no, they are not talking about swapping stories, but swapping AC is something devs are against since they have felt from the beginning that AC is the class.

So in the eyes of the dev you have story->class->spec/tree

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04.21.2014 , 10:46 AM | #4387
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
Back in the early days, there was going to be one story for all. At which point your AC became your class. When they added in separate stories your "class" became your story, and AC become play style, the tree became your sepc.

Per the devs. AC is you class so no, they are not talking about swapping stories, but swapping AC is something devs are against since they have felt from the beginning that AC is the class.

So in the eyes of the dev you have story->class->spec/tree
Read the very 1st post in this thread.

And who cares what THEY planned from the beginning? They didn't plan on the game going F2P or server mergers or GSF or GF or the quick travel terminals or housing or adaptive armor or the CM or lotsa stuff...all that crap was added AFTER their original plan failed.

Their plan sucked. The more they add that WE asked for, the better THEIR game becomes. This is one of those things.
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04.21.2014 , 11:10 AM | #4388
I love that there are literally thousands of responses to this but not one word from EA. This is community management at its worst. I mean really.
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04.21.2014 , 11:13 AM | #4389
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
I love that there are literally thousands of responses to this but not one word from EA. This is community management at its worst. I mean really.
they have said before. AC swapping is not something they plan on implementing.

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04.21.2014 , 11:18 AM | #4390
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
I love that there are literally thousands of responses to this but not one word from EA. This is community management at its worst. I mean really.
Terribly true! It's ridiculous.
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