ETA on Advanced Class change?

Since that generation is going to be their largest group of customers usually they must cater and If you don't like that then stop ******** about it cause it ain't gonna change. With modern technology more people are becoming "lazy" as you put it due to more people wanting instant gratification. They are not truly lazy they are merely impatient. If they were as lazy as you claim they likely wouldn't even complain about it because they simply wouldn't feel like it. Are people who use the skip to max level in wow lazy? No they're impatient cause after you've gone through a leveling process that can take a month or more there is simply less meaning to it.

It's an old style MMO mentality and one that the market has generally deemed unacceptable. Pretty much all of the future MMOs I can see are adopting the Hybrid subscription model that allows players to decide whether they want to spend time or money to advance their character.


And I don't think it's lazy people who would be most likely to use an AC feature -I think the lazy folk are more likely to stop playing altogether- but those with limited time constraints and a desire to play more endgame content than levelling another character.

Does it REALLY take 2-3 months to reach max level and gear out an alt? From what I have seen on these forums, people have managed reach max level AND be raid geared it in under a month, and that is playing very casually.

Even if that player has SOOOOO little time to play that it takes 2-3 months to reach max level, then so be it. Besides, if they have that little time to play, then why be concerned about playing a class you don't like, when you're almost never playing anyway?

The definition of lazy is "averse to work or effort".

They can try to justify it any way they want. If they are averse to the effort required to actually level the AC they want to play, by definition they are lazy.

And the definition of 'Game' is:
2. an activity that one engages in for amusement.
"a computer game"
synonyms: pastime, diversion, entertainment, amusement, distraction, divertissement, recreation, sport, activity, leisure activity; frolic, romp, source of fun

Your point is?

I play fairly frequently a bit more than the casual gamer and it still takes me at least a month to get to max lvl on an alt and about as long to get raid gear. Many people who nigh consider themselves casual are actually much harder gamers than they think and also there is of course the exaggeration factor in those times.

Please...stop feeding him. He's said all that he's going to. He thinks you're lazy and deserve to be punished and the Devs, pre-launch, pretended that there was more diversity than there is so that people didn't say "WTHLOL" pre-launch. They marketed the AC's as more than they are, we all know that, yet he still thinks it's valid.

I know, I really shouldn't... but I'm on a train and it keeps my mind off the tinny music spilling out of badly fitting headphones that everyone seems to wear these days.
I agree that there was a lot of PR speak talking up the class stories and diversity, but that's pretty much the same for all games and a reason I keep my expectations firmly set to 'interested' and no higher

Understood Feed away! I just didn't want you to have any misconception that you might change his mind. He's not here to debate, he's here to argue.

I was thinking more along the lines of a complete new AC with three full specialisation trees for each class.
The design of the new AC could fill in gaps of role coverage, types of animation used for abilities and weapons allowed.

For example Sith Warrior has Marauder (DPS role only) two sabres and Juggernaut (DPS or Tank) using a single sabre. They have no Healing spec available or ability to use double ended sabre. Off the top of my head maybe a 'Fallen Jedi' AC with DPS and Heal specs, using a double ended sabre/ electro staff and the animations from the consular abilities (that is rocks instead of lightning). You could chose to go back to level 1 and level up a new Sith Warrior this way... would it fit the story? It wouldn't be too far out, and with the ability to swap species you can have Trueblood Sith as Jedi Knights (which feels more against the grain).
The mirror to this would be the 'Redeemed Sith' a Jedi Knight AC which has a couple of DPS specs as well as a healing spec and using the double ended sabre, animations would favour lightning rather than pebbles.

Hand in hand with something like this would go an AC swapping function using a cartel market token to swap over the AC similar to the appearance change/ name change functions.

At the end of the day the levelling experience would remain the same it would just give the players more ways of going through it. And you can always add more and more ACs to broaden the scope of player choice.


[Edit: Probably should have stayed ontrack and come up with an example based on the Bounty Hunter/ Trooper...

Bounty Hunter new AC 'Duellist' DPS specs only, uses techblades or techstaves, think Torian or Akaavi .
Trooper new AC 'Marine' DPS specs only, uses techblades or techstaves, think Yuun or Tanno Vik. ]

I feel a bit bad that I only gave sort of options for the Warrior/Knight and Hunter/Trooper...

The Imperial Agent/ Smuggler lack a Tank option and I'd be tempted to give them a melee option to cover this. Not sure on names for this one...

Smuggler -> AC 'Swashbuckler' or maybe 'Corsair' DPS and Tank (similar mechanics to Shadow Tank), uses dual techblades.
Imperial Agent -> AC 'Warden' or maybe 'Agitator' DPS and Tank (similar mechanics to Assassin Tank), uses techstaff.

The hardest class to find additional AC for is the Consular/Inquisitor, their Advanced Classes already offer them the options of Tank/ Melee DPS (Shadow/Assassin) or Heal/ Ranged DPS (Sage/Inquisitor) effectively all you have to open up is the type of sabre used and Sage/Inquisitor barely uses a sabre anyway, I'd rather give them the option to not have a sabre out at all.

And the definition of 'Game' is:
2. an activity that one engages in for amusement.
"a computer game"
synonyms: pastime, diversion, entertainment, amusement, distraction, divertissement, recreation, sport, activity, leisure activity; frolic, romp, source of fun

Your point is?