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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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MajikMyst
11.20.2013 , 06:08 PM | #3801
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
It's Daniel Erickson the lead Writer not Stephen Reid. He also uses the term 'class' interchangeably throughout the interview. At times referring to 16 classes and then back to 8 classes with 2 advanced classes each. But I'll definitely agree with you it's old pre-release footage with a big emphasis on PR speak to upsell the product in how amazing it is. I think a pinch of salt may be required
Well that doesn't matter.. Daniel isn't with Bioware either.. So your point was again?? So I got a name wrong.. Big whoop..

In either case it doesn't support that class changes are going to occur.. In fact, it says the exact opposite.. Sure Bioware reserves the right to make changes to the game.. Duh.. But it also says that they are not discussing it and have no plans to implement right after launch.. It is a soft no..
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Vhaegrant
11.20.2013 , 06:20 PM | #3802
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
There may be another comment out there, but here is the verbatum comment about "16 classes". Note that he does NOT say there are 16 classes, though this interview is constantly posted as proof that they have said they have 16 classes.

Listen for yourself, at 1:26 and draw your own conclusions.

Really DE?....pretty separate? You know, you don't have to be so cut and dry.

There is no doubt that they wanted 16 classes. But they have said time and time again they could only create 8 classes. 8. Not 16, not 24....8. This is what infuriates me about these kind of comments from the devs.

Would it have been that difficult for them to simply say "AC is your class", or have you choose your class from the very beginning? What would have been the big deal if two classes shared the same story from level 1? Level 10 was somehow better?

It just seems so ridiculous. They couldn't possibly muddle it any more than they have.
I agree with you on it being muddled.
Of course the budget requirements to deliver unique story content for each class was going to be a restricting factor. I think I would have preferred to see the development go into a less linear story format but that horse has long since bolted.
What I can debate is the merits of whether an Advanced Class truly fits the distinction of being considered a fundamentally different class in its own right. TBH I don't think they are, well no more than Specialisations are fundamentally different.

I think the issue for me, and one that is largely a result of concentrating on story, is that to me as a Bounty hunter (Powertech) changing from tank to dps is a matter of focusing on a few different skills and changing the offhand from shield generator to power generator. In concept it is no different than focusing on a few different skills and changing the offhand generator to a weapon and making that jump between Powertech (tank) and Mercenary (healer). (Best case scenario, I of course realise that the secondry stats would also require a new set of armour, implants and possibly relics but you need to do similar when switching between certain specs as well)
There has been absolutely no impact to the characters story, no change in how their companions need to react to them.

It seems so artificial and arbitrary to place such a division between the Advanced Classes.

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MajikMyst
11.20.2013 , 06:23 PM | #3803
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
It seems so artificial and arbitrary to place such a division between the Advanced Classes.
In your opinion.. I view it as a big change.. Others view it as a big change.. Yes this is all about opinion.. Which is why I bring up the game says no.. That much isn't opinion..
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Vhaegrant
11.20.2013 , 06:24 PM | #3804
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Well that doesn't matter.. Daniel isn't with Bioware either.. So your point was again?? So I got a name wrong.. Big whoop..

In either case it doesn't support that class changes are going to occur.. In fact, it says the exact opposite.. Sure Bioware reserves the right to make changes to the game.. Duh.. But it also says that they are not discussing it and have no plans to implement right after launch.. It is a soft no..
My point was if you're going to throw quotes around and beat us over the head with what the devs were saying in the beta stages it would pay to get the name of the most visual and outspoken developer of the time right

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Vhaegrant
11.20.2013 , 06:26 PM | #3805
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
In your opinion.. I view it as a big change.. Others view it as a big change.. Yes this is all about opinion.. Which is why I bring up the game says no.. That much isn't opinion..
And forums are the place to discuss opinions and ideas that may be considered to improve the game in the future. The game says it is a Permanent choice at the moment, it may not always be the case though. Do you really need to have a list of all the things the devs have changed since release again?

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LordArtemis
11.20.2013 , 06:39 PM | #3806
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
You are misunderstanding what is said and that statement is old.. Stephen Reid isn't even with the company anymore.. We all know that they wanted 16 stories.. Let's be clear because that is what he actually said.. He was talking about the stories.. So we have 8 stories and 8 main classes for each story.. Which branch off into advance classes, which Bioware has repeatedly stated to consider our AC as our class..

This attempt to diminish the value of our AC is truly pointless.. All you are doing is fooling yourselves..
It's not an attempt. But naturally I want AC change, right MajikMyst? Remember, when I lied about you changing your post? I'm sure we all remember that comedy bit....

You do more to help the folks that want AC change than the folks that do not. I really wish you would just find some other topic to fill with diatribe.

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As for the rest of your post.. Sorry.. I have an thing for people making accusing me of doing something I did not do..
Lol. Yea, your known for that....I guess Im one of those "people making accusing me of doing" people, eh?

I have a feeling we are not going to be having this conversation. It should be entertaining to see what the next accusation is that you come up with....

Hey, I have one...how about that I said I hate puppies? Maybe that will fly.

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MajikMyst
11.20.2013 , 06:45 PM | #3807
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
It's not an attempt. But naturally I want AC change, right MajikMyst? Remember, when I lied about you changing your post?.
You just can't leave the past in the past.. And yes you lied and then threw a tantrum and supposedly put me on ignore.. Guess that was a lie too.. Do you want to troll or discuss??

Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Lol. Yea, your known for that....I guess Im one of those "people making accusing me of doing" people, eh?

I have a feeling we are not going to be having this conversation.
More trolling.. Do you have anything worth reading to say?? Like something that is on topic?? Or is baiting and trolling all you can do at the moment??

I really wish you would just worry about yourself and not worry about where me or anyone else chooses to post..
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LordArtemis
11.20.2013 , 06:51 PM | #3808
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
You just can't leave the past in the past.. And yes you lied and then threw a tantrum and supposedly put me on ignore.. Guess that was a lie too.. Do you want to troll or discuss??
There we go. I put you on ignore. Come on MajikMyst, you can do better than that.

I didn't lie, you changed your post. Period. Your post history proves without a shadow of a doubt your level of credibility here.

I think it's pretty obvious who posts blatantly dishonest information.....you have done it multiple times, when called out on it you then claim harassment.

Let's see
...you have posted quotes claiming they are from the wrong person, then berated those that corrected you.
...you have posted misquotes, claimed they were verbatum, then when it was proved you were wrong you claimed you never misquoted them. When called out on that you claimed they were harassing you.
...you have accused folks of being pro AC change when they were clearly anti AC change.
...you have clearly edited your posts and then posted dishonest comments when called on it.

Many of these things are in this very thread. All someone has to do is do a search on your name and read.

So...why waste your time in this thread making comments? Do you really expect anyone here to take you seriously?

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MajikMyst
11.20.2013 , 06:52 PM | #3809
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
My point was if you're going to throw quotes around and beat us over the head with what the devs were saying in the beta stages it would pay to get the name of the most visual and outspoken developer of the time right
Dude.. I didn't throw any quote around.. Perhaps you should look before you leap!! Lord put up the quote..

Seriously.. If you aren't going read my posts, then don't bother responding to them..

Thanks..
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LordArtemis
11.20.2013 , 06:53 PM | #3810
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I really wish you would just worry about yourself and not worry about where me or anyone else chooses to post..
Then don't directly respond to my posts with diatribe and you will not get a proper response.

Otherwise you get what you give. This has been explained to you far too many times. Don't directly quote my points and we will be all good. Otherwise expect a response.