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Tsillah
10.26.2013 , 06:54 AM | #3441
We all know the ETA is when pigs fly. So get yourself a degree in genetics and start experimenting.
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Strixs
10.26.2013 , 09:24 AM | #3442
whether it happens or not why worry about.

If it happens it does, if it doesn't it doesn't.

If it does and bioware makes profit by charging you money so they can make further content and pay their employees and do more things for the game so be it.

If it does not and you have to either buy more things over time or pay your sub for longer because you choose to lvl up said character and play more of the game which ends up supporting the game still, then so be it.

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AlexDougherty
10.26.2013 , 09:28 AM | #3443
My word, is this thread still going, I got bored of it about the page 40 mark.
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LordArtemis
10.26.2013 , 10:00 AM | #3444
Nothing new on the suggestion, pro or con fronts so I will wait a few more pages before I repost the list.

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branmakmuffin
10.26.2013 , 11:16 AM | #3445
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Nothing new on the suggestion, pro or con fronts so I will wait a few more pages before I repost the list.
I'll simplify it for you

For: Flexibility and fun (and no one else's business)

Con: Just don't like it and unknown tech/development issues.

Done.

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Ratajack
10.26.2013 , 11:51 AM | #3446
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
I'll simplify it for you

For: Flexibility and fun (and no one else's business)

Con: Just don't like it and unknown tech/development issues.

Done.
Allow me to simplify it even further.

For: laziness

Con: some things should be earned.

Admittedly, those are the extremist reasons. There are many much more subtle reasons within those extremes.

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ekwalizer
10.26.2013 , 11:56 AM | #3447
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Couldn't I argue that many people may not have realized the restriction of choosing the AC they did? Isn't that just as valid? There would be no point to limit this to level 15 DOH, at 15, reroll...you're 30min into that toon...big deal. It's at 55 where the game goes from single player, to a multiplayer game where the different roles are truly noticed (and needed).
As was pointed out about a thousand times way back in July/August - the system tells you FOUR times before you select your AC that it is a permanent and irrevocable decision. So no, that argument is not valid. Nor is any other argument for AC change. Your AC *is* your class. You are not a Trooper Commando, you are a Commando. You are not a Bounty Hunter Power Tech, you are a Powertech.

Knight, Consular, Smuggler, Trooper, Bounty Hunter, Warrior, Agent, Inquisitor are STORIES. They are NOT classes.

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MajikMyst
10.26.2013 , 11:57 AM | #3448
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
As was pointed out about a thousand times way back in July/August - the system tells you FOUR times before you select your AC that it is a permanent and irrevocable decision. So no, that argument is not valid. Nor is any other argument for AC change. Your AC *is* your class. You are not a Trooper Commando, you are a Commando. You are not a Bounty Hunter Power Tech, you are a Powertech.

Knight, Consular, Smuggler, Trooper, Bounty Hunter, Warrior, Agent, Inquisitor are STORIES. They are NOT classes.
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Illyean
10.26.2013 , 11:59 AM | #3449
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Allow me to simplify it even further.

For: laziness

Con: some things should be earned.

Admittedly, those are the extremist reasons. There are many much more subtle reasons within those extremes.
the simple version is actually

PRO : someone wants it
CON : someone else doesn't

it's all personal opinion, anyone thinking its right or wrong is just silly at this point.

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Ratajack
10.26.2013 , 12:05 PM | #3450
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
I'm not asking to level one class but explore a different class. I'm saying it would be nice to be able to explore both Advanced Class options of the same class without having to relevel.
Since AC's are different classes in the eyes of the devs, asking to level one AC and explore the other as well without leveling that other AC is asking to level one class and explore a different class.

Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
I have a funny suspicion that those in favour of these two points tend to play outside of a guild. These are only issues that effect those that regularly play in PUG groups.
Easy fixes for these situations are: join a guild, put good players on your friends list, put bad players on your ignore list, talk to people before the start to confirm looting priority, kick bad players from the group, be understanding that this may be someone's first MMO and they may not know the given conventions and take the time to encourage them to be better players.
But these looting issues are already rife in the game and have plenty of threads regarding them. I doubt it would be a significant impact. And, controversial I know, I don't disagree with folk that Need on everything whether the character they are currently on can use it or not. After all their time is just as important as anyone else's and with legacy gear you can transfer mods across to alts that could be using it.I find this acceptable behaviour in a PUG, but not in a Guild environment.
Many people, myself included, are in guilds and yet still pug on at least a semi-regular basis.

We all know that "bad behavior" already exists in this game. The point I was making is allowing class changes will increase the number of "bad players". If there are X number of "bad players" and Y number of players choose to change class, with 50% of those players being "bad", we have increased X by up to 50% of Y.

We all know there are ways for those against class changes to "avoid" these "bad players", but why should those
players against class changes be inconvenienced just so that the players who are averse to the effort of leveling that other class can avoid consequences to which they agreed regarding a decision THEY made.

Like you, I do not begrudge anyone the chance to roll need for loot from a boss they helped kill. As you said, their time is worth something also. I do not choose to roll need on those items that are not a direct upgrade for my character, but I will not deny any other party members that option, and I will invite them to roll need against me for an item that would upgrade my character.
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