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branmakmuffin
10.25.2013 , 12:26 PM | #3401
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Bran knows more than the devs. Apparently he is now in charge of the game. I suggest that all complaints with the game, be directed to him.
You and logic are not very well acquainted, are you?

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Terin
10.25.2013 , 12:26 PM | #3402
Quote: Originally Posted by spectreclees View Post
This. Why do people think it's okay to switch classes? They really screwed it up when they made the AC's. I knew this would happen. It was however, the only way to make sure each class had it's own story and you could play it from two perspectives.
Honestly, they shouldn't have ever had "Advanced Classes" at all, especially given that it's just far enough into your character's story that you feel invested, yet not so far that you feel you "know" the class, top to bottom. I suspect they added them as a means to keep the two factions completely balanced, and it wasn't a bad notion, but it came with a lot of problems.

To be honest, I'm still not even sure how I feel about the situations. There are so many Pro's and Con's to both sides of the debate, it's almost impossible to form an opinion that would be completely satisfying.

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:26 PM | #3403
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
You keep holding onto a definition of Class as defined by other games and an old quote taken from the as then Lead Writer.

In SWTOR ...
Your Class is your Class, it defines your story, the companions you can have and the choice of two Advanced Classes.
Your Advanced Class is an arbitrary mechanical separation of abilities based on role and has no impact on story or companions.
That quote has NEVER been contradicted sine that lead dev spoke it. That would make it the latest word from the devs on the state of AC's being different classes or not. That would make it STILL the views of the devs, until they choose to contradict it and tell us that AC's are not different classes.

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:29 PM | #3404
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You and logic are not very well acquainted, are you?
Logic and I are very well acquainted.

The devs have said multiple times that AC's are DIFFERENT classes. You refuse to accept the devs words on this and continue to insist they they are not different classes. ERGO, you must think you know more than the devs.

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branmakmuffin
10.25.2013 , 12:31 PM | #3405
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Logic and I are very well acquainted.
No, you are not.

Your turn.

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The devs have said multiple times that AC's are DIFFERENT classes. You refuse to accept the devs words on this and continue to insist they they are not different classes. ERGO, you must think you know more than the devs.
And it has been said over and over in this thread that if 'the devs" wanted to change the game to allow AC change, they could. You seem to be living in a river in Egypt regarding that fact. You just continue to shout 'You can't change it because it's always been this way!"

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:33 PM | #3406
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
or i don't know... stop playing the game all together because they are not having fun now, and leveling a new alt sounds even less like fun?

playing video games is a hobby, a leisurely pastime. its supposed to be fun. even when its challenging and exhausting and difficult - its STILL supposed to be fun. the moment it stops being fun, and starts being boring slog? its NOT worth it.

also this
Should we open up creation of max level characters for those that don't enjoy the leveling process but enjoy the end game? Should we bestow BIS gear to those players who do not enjoy the whole gear grind? Should we give the best PVP gear to players who do not like the grind earn it? This list of things some people do not enjoy goes on and on. Every player has something about the game they do not like or do not enjoy, I'm sure. Do we allow every player to skip the part(s) of the game they do not enjoy, but still reap the rewards?

Sometimes it is necessary to do things we do not like to get the rewards we want.

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branmakmuffin
10.25.2013 , 12:35 PM | #3407
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Should we open up creation of max level characters for those that don't enjoy the leveling process but enjoy the end game? Should we bestow BIS gear to those players who do not enjoy the whole gear grind? Should we give the best PVP gear to players who do not like the grind earn it? This list of things some people do not enjoy goes on and on. Every player has something about the game they do not like or do not enjoy, I'm sure. Do we allow every player to skip the part(s) of the game they do not enjoy, but still reap the rewards?

Sometimes it is necessary to do things we do not like to get the rewards we want.
This is a copy and paste of a previous reply of yours. Your argument is so vacuous you can't even come up with new material.

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:37 PM | #3408
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
No, you are not.

Your turn.


And it has been said over and over in this thread that if 'the devs" wanted to change the game to allow AC change, they could. You seem to be living in a river in Egypt regarding that fact. You just continue to shout 'You can't change it because it's always been this way!"
I have acknowledged many times that they CAN change anything they want to change. I have also said that just because something CAN be changed does not necessarily mean that it should be changed.

You are not saying that the devs can change their minds about the AC being different classes, you are saying that they are NOT different classes. What you are doing, however, is saying that the devs are wrong by your insistance that the AC are not different classes when the last word from the devs is that they ARE.

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Vhaegrant
10.25.2013 , 12:40 PM | #3409
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Do they continue to slog through those dailies on that class they do not enjoy now? I'm betting that they do.

Here's a novel concept. How about instead of sitting around waiting for someone else to fix their perceived problem, they actually do something top solve it themselves? Like, I don't know, maybe level that other class they want to play?
I'm betting that they don't. Ta dah who's statement has more merit? Most of the folks I know play the game for fun.
They don't find it fun to be levelling solo because everyone else they know is off doing level 55 content and so they drift away. Besides which despite many posters comment there is a significant time investment in going from 1 to 55, somewhere in the region of 80 hours (just going on my own average of 3 and a half days to 55) if you are following class content only. That's a big enough hill to climb once for most gamers let alone twice or more. It's well observed that most gamers fail to complete games that have far less of a time commitment.

Read this article... Staying Power: Rethinking Feedback to Keep Players in the Game

Or just Google 'How many gamers finish a game?'

Most gamers, be them casual or otherwise, find at somepoint in their lives a need to prioritise their gaming time. AC swapping is just one resource that may keep a player in their seat playing the game.

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TUXs
10.25.2013 , 12:42 PM | #3410
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Should we open up creation of max level characters for those that don't enjoy the leveling process but enjoy the end game?
Huh? What does this have to do with AC switching?
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Should we bestow BIS gear to those players who do not enjoy the whole gear grind?
Players can already buy 72's off the GTN to avoid the entire gear grind if they like.
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Should we give the best PVP gear to players who do not like the grind earn it?
What do you think BOLSTER does? Bolster allows EXACTLY this. It allows anyone who doesn't want to grind PvP gear, to have the benefits of PvP gear.
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Do we allow every player to skip the part(s) of the game they do not enjoy, but still reap the rewards?
*spacebar*
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Sometimes it is necessary to do things we do not like to get the rewards we want.
It's a game rat...get a grip.
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