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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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branmakmuffin
10.25.2013 , 12:18 PM | #3391
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Well, the TRUTH about the main reason why people want to change class comes out, anyway.

There are plenty of arguments against allowing class changes.
There is only one cogent argument against it: technical/development issues (which are unknown and which is a cogent argument against any game change). Other than that, it's 'I don't like it because I don't like it."

Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Should we open up creation of max level characters for those that don't enjoy the leveling process but enjoy the end game? Should we bestow BIS gear to those players who do not enjoy the whole gear grind? Should we give the best PVP gear to players who do not like the grind earn it? This list of things some people do not enjoy goes on and on. Every player has something about the game they do not like or do not enjoy, I'm sure. Do we allow every player to skip the part(s) of the game they do not enjoy, but still reap the rewards?

Sometimes it is necessary to do things we do not like to get the rewards we want.
As usual, you have nothing to fall back to other than slippery slopery. But hey. if that's all you got, you gotta go with that.

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:19 PM | #3392
Quote: Originally Posted by Dokar View Post
Changing AC doesn't affect story at all, changing class does.
Changing AC IS changing CLASS. Unless, like some posters in this thread, you think you know more than the devs, you're AC is your CLASS. The devs would be the ones who created this game and who have said multiple times that AC's are fundamentally DIFFERENT classes and that they see the AC's as DIFFERENT classes.

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Jeweledleah
10.25.2013 , 12:20 PM | #3393
god I "love" slippery slope arguments, especially when they are completely ridiculously exaggerated.

and you pick your CLASS when you are creating a character.

you pick your specialization (hell they even call it that in preceding dialogue) at lvl 10... or whenever you feel like you are ready to pick it. since you don't actually HAVE to pick it at 10, its just when it becomes available.

NOT the same thing. at all.

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Vhaegrant
10.25.2013 , 12:21 PM | #3394
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
How long do you think it would take for the first cries to "allow swapping from any class to any class" to arise? After all, if they allow class changes on a limited scale, why not open them up completely?
They are already there if you look for them in the suggestion forum.

However I'd be on the side opposing them. Your class is your class, and those shouldn't be open for swapping.
Besides which, the behind the scenes data tracking would be a nightmare, you are changing stories and companions.

I fully support keeping Classes separate, and I don't think it is too much to expect a player to level up through the stories on a class by class basis (the xp boosts now available mean you can avoid many of the world quests and just focus on class quests)

I don't support keeping the AC selection permanent. I would expect it to have a cost (lets say 1,000 cartel coins) and a time restriction (lets say no more than once a week). And I feel those two measures alone would contain any potential abuse.

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branmakmuffin
10.25.2013 , 12:22 PM | #3395
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Changing AC IS changing CLASS. Unless, like some posters in this thread, you think you know more than the devs, you're AC is your CLASS. The devs would be the ones who created this game and who have said multiple times that AC's are fundamentally DIFFERENT classes and that they see the AC's as DIFFERENT classes.
No, they are different ACs. Warrior and Bounty Hunter are different classes. We have been over this ad nauseum. No one is asking to be able to go from Juggernaut to Mercenary. Yet that is how you often attempt to characterize the issue. I think we call that a red herring.

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:22 PM | #3396
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
Wow you really are focused on making sure the game is a misery for players aren't you

Not only would a player have to slog through 100% of the same content on the new AC, but to pay for it they would have to endure the grind of dailies on the AC they no longer enjoy... that sounds like a master-class in how to make gaming fun.

Do they continue to slog through those dailies on that class they do not enjoy now? I'm betting that they do.

Here's a novel concept. How about instead of sitting around waiting for someone else to fix their perceived problem, they actually do something top solve it themselves? Like, I don't know, maybe level that other class they want to play?

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Vhaegrant
10.25.2013 , 12:24 PM | #3397
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Changing AC IS changing CLASS. Unless, like some posters in this thread, you think you know more than the devs, you're AC is your CLASS. The devs would be the ones who created this game and who have said multiple times that AC's are fundamentally DIFFERENT classes and that they see the AC's as DIFFERENT classes.
You keep holding onto a definition of Class as defined by other games and an old quote taken from the as then Lead Writer.

In SWTOR ...
Your Class is your Class, it defines your story, the companions you can have and the choice of two Advanced Classes.
Your Advanced Class is an arbitrary mechanical separation of abilities based on role and has no impact on story or companions.

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Ratajack
10.25.2013 , 12:24 PM | #3398
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
No, they are different ACs. Warrior and Bounty Hunter are different classes. We have been over this ad nauseum. No one is asking to be able to go from Juggernaut to Mercenary. Yet that is how you often attempt to characterize the issue. I think we call that a red herring.

Bran knows more than the devs. Apparently he is now in charge of the game. I suggest that all complaints with the game, be directed to him.

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branmakmuffin
10.25.2013 , 12:25 PM | #3399
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Do they continue to slog through those dailies on that class they do not enjoy now? I'm betting that they do.
No one plays this game if they do not enjoy it on at least some level, so no, no one continues to slog though dailies playing an AC they do not enjoy playing to some degree and for one reason or another. The fact that you think people do that says much about you.

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Jeweledleah
10.25.2013 , 12:25 PM | #3400
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Do they continue to slog through those dailies on that class they do not enjoy now? I'm betting that they do.

Here's a novel concept. How about instead of sitting around waiting for someone else to fix their perceived problem, they actually do something top solve it themselves? Like, I don't know, maybe level that other class they want to play?
or i don't know... stop playing the game all together because they are not having fun now, and leveling a new alt sounds even less like fun?

playing video games is a hobby, a leisurely pastime. its supposed to be fun. even when its challenging and exhausting and difficult - its STILL supposed to be fun. the moment it stops being fun, and starts being boring slog? its NOT worth it.

also this

Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
No one plays this game if they do not enjoy it on at least some level, so no, no one continues to slog though dailies playing an AC they do not enjoy playing to some degree and for one reason or another. The fact that you think people do that says much about you.