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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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TridusSWTOR
08.08.2013 , 02:33 PM | #3091
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I specified "at the same time" and "at any time" since several posters have tried to make the argument that even if a player can tank and heal on the same character, they would not be able to do so "at the same time". As I stated before, the devs intended that no single character be able to fill all three roles AT ANY TIME. Allowing class changes will undermine and negate this design intent by allowing some characters to fill all three roles, even if not every character can fill all three roles.
And so the backpedaling begins.

So even though it has been already suggested many times, yet you continue to ignore it. What if they limited the AC change to 2 times per character with a 30 day CD per use?

That pretty much nullifies you're "AT ANY TIME" talking point.

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Ratajack
08.08.2013 , 02:34 PM | #3092
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Your assumption that they haven't changed their stance because it's not in-game yet is just silly. Read Damion's comments again:

It's likely to happen...eventually. What don't you get about that?
Did they say class changes WILL happen? Oh, they DIDN'T. Did they give us any kind of time frame in that quote? Oh, that's right, they DIDN'T.

Did they also mention race and appearance changes in that quote? Yes. Did those race and appearance changes come to pass? Yes.

So we have an ambiguous quote from 8 months ago, with NOTHING further from the devs since. We have the race and appearance changes that were mentioned in the SAME quote, but NO class changes. We've had countless threads, including this 300+ page thread, full of people clamoring for class changes, and STILL not ONE PEEP from the devs about class changes, despite and 8 month old ambiguous quote. What does that say to you? What does that say to any reasonable person?

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Ratajack
08.08.2013 , 02:38 PM | #3093
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You keep using the same argument: they can't change because they can't change. That's your argument. They can change anything about the game they want.
I keep saying that they CAN change the rules at any time. They are under NO obligation to do so simply because some people are too averse to the minimal work or effort (there's a word for that, what's that word again?) to be bothered with using the existing mechanics to play the new class.

I've also pointed out that so far they have NOT chosen to change the game mechanics, thankfully.

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TridusSWTOR
08.08.2013 , 02:43 PM | #3094
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Did they say class changes WILL happen? Oh, they DIDN'T. Did they give us any kind of time frame in that quote? Oh, that's right, they DIDN'T.

Did they also mention race and appearance changes in that quote? Yes. Did those race and appearance changes come to pass? Yes.

So we have an ambiguous quote from 8 months ago, with NOTHING further from the devs since. We have the race and appearance changes that were mentioned in the SAME quote, but NO class changes. We've had countless threads, including this 300+ page thread, full of people clamoring for class changes, and STILL not ONE PEEP from the devs about class changes, despite and 8 month old ambiguous quote. What does that say to you? What does that say to any reasonable person?
Can you link the dev response and source that says the following "Never allowing AC change in this game now or in the future."- "AC change will never be an option."- Make sure it's the most recent one.

It doesn't have to be exactly that, but something with the words "never" or "not going to happen" in there. If you can provide that, then it just won't happen. Then again, they changed quite a few things before that they said weren't going to happen.

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Ratajack
08.08.2013 , 02:45 PM | #3095
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
And so the backpedaling begins.

So even though it has been already suggested many times, yet you continue to ignore it. What if they limited the AC change to 2 times per character with a 30 day CD per use?

That pretty much nullifies you're "AT ANY TIME" talking point.
That would nullify nothing. Would that sorcerer be able to tank if he changed to assassin? Would allowing that single character to be able to fill all three roles? First, DPS and heals as a sorcerer and then DPS and tank as an assassin?

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Ratajack
08.08.2013 , 02:52 PM | #3096
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Can you link the dev response and source that says the following "Never allowing AC change in this game now or in the future."- "AC change will never be an option."- Make sure it's the most recent one.

It doesn't have to be exactly that, but something with the words "never" or "not going to happen" in there. If you can provide that, then it just won't happen. Then again, they changed quite a few things before that they said weren't going to happen.
That quote is going to be as hard to find as the one that says "Class changes WILL be allowed". Then again, the devs have said some things would happen and then later decided NOT to allow those things.

The devs have the final say. They have so far chosen NOT to cave to those unwilling to use the existing mechanics to play that new class, and they have remained totally silent for 8+ months.

We may see class changes at some undetermined point in the future, but I do not expect to see them in the foreseeable future.

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Soluss
08.08.2013 , 03:02 PM | #3097
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You keep using the same argument: they can't change because they can't change. That's your argument. They can change anything about the game they want.
And everyone else is still using the same argument: They should change because they can. Whats with the hypocrisy.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
08.08.2013 , 03:04 PM | #3098
Im at the point that I hope they allow a 1 time only change. That way I can come read the thread, of all the whiners, begging for 1 more because they made a mistake and don't like the other AC now.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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branmakmuffin
08.08.2013 , 03:18 PM | #3099
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
And everyone else is still using the same argument: They should change because they can. Whats with the hypocrisy.
I can't speak for others, but since you are replying to me, I don't say they should change. That's the difference between us. You say they shouldn't change (thus limiting player options just because it's something you'd rather not do). I say it'd would be nice if they did change (thus expanding player options, even if I wouldn't be likely to do it myself). I am capable of recognizing that people play differently from the way I play.

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belialle
08.08.2013 , 03:27 PM | #3100
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Im at the point that I hope they allow a 1 time only change. That way I can come read the thread, of all the whiners, begging for 1 more because they made a mistake and don't like the other AC now.
Yeah, I guess I might be OK with a one-time change, just to get people to shut up about this already. I do not ever want for us to be able to freely change between ACs. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they share the same class story doesn't mean that they should necessarily be the same class through and through. I prefer to keep the classes separate and distinct from one another.