ETA on Advanced Class change?

First, you STILL conveniently left out the quotes from DE that state the AC's are DIFFERENT classes.

Second, while it is true that they said that back in November 2012, have they said ANYTHING, even a peep or a hint of a peep about allowing class changes since?

What does the fact that they have said NOTHING, that there has been complete and total silence from the devs on this issue for over 8 months, tell you? What does it tell any reasonable person?

We have had countless threads, including this 300+ page thread, begging for class changes. Despite this, the devs have chosen NOT to change the game mechanics simply because some people refuse to use the mechanics in place to play that other class. They've not given ANY indication that they are even considering allowing class changes in over 8 months.

And you call yourself a gamer?

Pish-tosh.

Ratajack...that was a response to the silly contention that the devs have NEVER said anything since launch about adding AC change. I might be mistaken, but that is all it is.

It was a response to this comment....
I will not speak for others, but there are a few participants in this thread that continue to put forth that absolutely false contention, and still claim that no recent comment was made though it has been provided on multiple occasions...one member even had the gall to indicate that Duffy was being dishonest with the article.

Now...that said, there is no reason one could not concede that the silence since then, not to mention the FACT that they added species and appearance, but not AC change may speak to something about whether they will add it or not.

....But to say they have said nothing since launch is dishonest. It is in fact their most recent statement.

Daniel Ericson is excluded because I was replying to someone insisting that it needs to be CURRENT! Keep it CURRENT! November 2012 IS still current.

And is the MOST current to my knowledge.

While the talents may be level dependent, the general PLAYSTYLE is not. A vanguard is MELEE damage/tank while a commando is RANGED damage/heals. It makes no difference what spec you are as a vanguard, you are MELEE, while any commando spec is RANGED. I think most people will know within 5 levels, 10 at the most, whether they like melee combat or whether they would like to try ranged combat.

A simple quest chain is nowhere near as effective at teaching someone to use NEW skills as leveling is, especially since you get those new skills one or two at a time, rather than having a bunch thrown at you all at once. How do you determine what skills even need to be part of the quest chain, since a person changing class at level 15 does not have the same number of skills as a person who changes class at 55, not to mention all the spec specific skills as well.

Also, there is no guarantee that a player will even DO the tutorial quest chain. I do not see a way to make it mandatory. Are you going to stop a player completely from doing anything after they change their class until they complete the tutorial quest chain? How do you stop a player from doing anything in the game? Are you going to say that you cannot change your class until you complete the quest chain? How do you do that when the player does not have the skills for the new class yet?

What incorrect information did that poster post, or is this statement just an attempt to misdirect and mislead those reading this thread?

Restrictions? So many people want to propose restrictions on class changes. They ignore one thing, though. We already have restrictions on class changes. Restrictions already exist, yet here we have a 300+ page thread, and countless other threads, full of people asking that those restrictions be lifted or lowered simply because some people don't want to be bothered top use mechanics already in place to play a new class.

If they allow class changes, with ANY restrictions, these forums will simply be full of people asking that THOSE restrictions be lifted or lowered. All you need to do is look at this thread full of people asking for the current restrictions to be lifted or lowered to see that.


A warning? Do you mean something like the 4 warnings that every player gets when they choose their AC that their choice is PERMANENT? Do you mean a confirmation box like the two confirmation boxes every player has to click to acknowledge that they know their choice is PERMANENT and that they are selecting the AC they want?


Requiring a max level character of either the desired class or the mirror of the desired class is perfectly reasonable, as it gives some indication that the person who wishes to change their class has played that class and is familiar with the skills, even if the animation and names are different.

IMO, this is complete and total BS. IMO, nothing makes a choice more meaningful than NOT being able to undo that choice.

Let me paraphrase what you are saying:

I have a choice to make at level 10. I know that choice is PERMANENT, as I receive 4 warnings that it is PERMANENT, and have to confirm twice that I know that the choice is PERMANENT. Yet, I want to claim that this choice lacks meaning. I want to claim that what will make this choice more meaningful is if I can make is allowing me to change my mind later.

How does this sound? A man wants to marry his girlfriend but wants to reserve the right to trade her for a new girl if he decides in 3 years he's bored with her. He claims that reserving the right to trade his girlfriend/wife in for a new girl will make his initial choice to marry his then girlfriend more meaningful.

8 months old is not current. It may be the most recent, but it is not current.

I think it has much more tho do with DE's quotes not meshing with your desire to see class changes.

If that thread was a response to the claim that "the devs have NEVER said anything since launch about adding AC change", why did the poster choose a quote made BEFORE launch? A quote made BEFORE launch cannot be used to refute a claim that nothing was said AFTER launch.

It took them a full freaking year to add a cat head to the game dude...8 months in an MMO (this MMO) is current.

That quote didn't "refute it", it confirmed that their stance hasn't changed since launch and that AC respecs remain a possibility.