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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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MSchuyler
08.05.2013 , 03:37 PM | #3011
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
His point still stands. You still haven't been able to provide an answer to it.
His point is on wobbly legs barely able to withstand the force of gravity. The answer has been provided a number of times. It's just that you won't acknowledge it. It's an extremely weak argument if all you can come up with is "It won't affect you and...and....and....you're envious!" Envious of what, precisely? That isn't even an argument. It's desperation.

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Ratajack
08.05.2013 , 03:40 PM | #3012
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
How does an operative tank for raids. Please explain.

Where did I say ANYTHING about operatives tanking? Where did I say anything about EVERY character being able to tank or heal?

I said that the devs intentionally designed the classes such that no single character could fill all three roles AT ANY TIME, not just at the same time. I have yet to see a character in ANY game be both the tank and healer for a group at the same time.

Allowing class changes will negate the devs intentional design not to allow a single character to fill all three roles (AT ANY TIME) by allowing some(just to avoid confusion) characters to fill all three roles, even if they cannot fill all three roles at the same time.

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TUXs
08.05.2013 , 03:41 PM | #3013
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Nor have you. The only reason to swap ACs is to avoid rolling alts. The devs designed the game to roll alts as part of playing the game. EA makes a ton of money off of alts. Many have told you why we are against it. Dismissing our opinions doesn't make your opinion any better.
EA can make a ton of money off offering AC swaps as well. I haven't heard one good reason not to allow this. Not one.

As I've said prior to this, some players have no desire to roll an alt. This would be an option for them. Rolling an alt isn't nearly as fun as you pretend it to be imo, so I can see the value this would bring.

I don't dismiss any of your opinions...I just think they're ridiculous excuses to not implement this.
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Ratajack
08.05.2013 , 03:47 PM | #3014
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
EA can make a ton of money off offering AC swaps as well. I haven't heard one good reason not to allow this. Not one.

As I've said prior to this, some players have no desire to roll an alt. This would be an option for them. Rolling an alt isn't nearly as fun as you pretend it to be imo, so I can see the value this would bring.

I don't dismiss any of your opinions...I just think they're ridiculous excuses to not implement this.
Lack of desire to make use of an already existing mechanic enabling a player to play that other class is a ridiculous excuse for allowing class changes.

I don't want to go to work this week and do exactly the same things I did last week. Maybe if I beg my boss and clamor enough, he'll pay me anyway since I already put forth the effort and did the same work last week that I would do this week.

I know this is a game and not work, but the principle is the same.

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Andryah
08.05.2013 , 03:47 PM | #3015
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I haven't heard one good reason not to allow this. Not one.
Here TUXs.. try this one for size:

Because it's their game and they choose not to.

Since they own the game, not you.... any reason they choose is good enough by definition (and they don't even have to share the reasons with you).

AND you can't do squat about it accept attack every reason offered up by other players (at your request).....just because you want your own way on this topic.
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MSchuyler
08.05.2013 , 03:53 PM | #3016
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
EA can make a ton of money off offering AC swaps as well. I haven't heard one good reason not to allow this. Not one.
Because it is not simply a matter of "allowing" it as if you could flip a switch to turn it on. It must be implemented. It would be a diversion of developer resources to implement this instead of devoting said resources to more important changes and additions that would affect more people. Only a few people have expressed interest in this. The player base as a whole is not interested, therefore it would be a waste of valuable and limited developer resources to implement it. It just isn't necessary.

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ekwalizer
08.05.2013 , 03:56 PM | #3017
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
I agree with what you said except for one thing.

This is not really my personal belief but if you don't add a CC/Credit cost. Bioware can't profit from it, so it's a missed opportunity. I do love how you offered 2 changes to AC swap because you understand the reason for it.

Getting to level 50 is a fine requirement.

One thing I'm not sure about, how come the need for the completion to act 3? Most of these story quest don't really provide any daunting task or special skills to complete. What if someone just wanted to level up via PVP only? So, I just need to hear why you wanted to include act 3 as one of the reasons.

Pretty much everything else makes sense. Nice work.
I was originally going to put that into parenthesis, but I forgot to.

But legitimately, because it isn't hard to do, nor do you have to be 50 to complete them. It's only 3-4 missions per planet and most people do those anyway. IMO, only, I just don't think it is too much to ask that people complete their story. But I certainly wouldn't let that point become a show stopper.

Point taken on the CC issue.

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ekwalizer
08.05.2013 , 03:58 PM | #3018
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
Because it is not simply a matter of "allowing" it as if you could flip a switch to turn it on. It must be implemented. It would be a diversion of developer resources to implement this instead of devoting said resources to more important changes and additions that would affect more people. Only a few people have expressed interest in this. The player base as a whole is not interested, therefore it would be a waste of valuable and limited developer resources to implement it. It just isn't necessary.
We also don't know what happens "behind the scenes" when you select your AC. If your character sheet (on the code side) is dynamically modified, there could truly be no undoing it.

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TUXs
08.05.2013 , 04:01 PM | #3019
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Here TUXs.. try this one for size:

Because it's their game and they choose not to.

Since they own the game, not you.... any reason they choose is good enough by definition (and they don't even have to share the reasons with you).

AND you can't do squat about it accept attack every reason offered up by other players (at your request).....just because you want your own way on this topic.
I don't want "my own way" - I didn't request this, but I sure as hell support those players who would like it added as an option. I see absolutely no reason that this shouldn't be allowed.

There hasn't been ANY reason given as to why this shouldn't be possible. That's what I'm asking for...not why it's not done (like it's their game), but reasons why this wouldn't be a beneficial change. Nobody has offered a valid reason yet...just silly reasons like "they'll suck at their new AC" and whatever nonsense.

Just because I support a players idea, doesn't mean I'd even use it...but this would be a good addition to SWTOR and I'd love to see it added for players.

Also, the excuse "because there's other things to do", is fine reasoning as to why they can't do it NOW...but there's no reason this shouldn't be offered in the future.
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Ratajack
08.05.2013 , 04:11 PM | #3020
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I don't want "my own way" - I didn't request this, but I sure as hell support those players who would like it added as an option. I see absolutely no reason that this shouldn't be allowed.

There hasn't been ANY reason given as to why this shouldn't be possible. That's what I'm asking for...not why it's not done (like it's their game), but reasons why this wouldn't be a beneficial change. Nobody has offered a valid reason yet...just silly reasons like "they'll suck at their new AC" and whatever nonsense.

Just because I support a players idea, doesn't mean I'd even use it...but this would be a good addition to SWTOR and I'd love to see it added for players.

Also, the excuse "because there's other things to do", is fine reasoning as to why they can't do it NOW...but there's no reason this shouldn't be offered in the future.
There have been many valid reasons posted ad nauseum. You just choose to dismiss and ignore those reasons and attack those against allowing class changes.