ETA on Advanced Class change?

I don't take much of what DE said as bible. That said, however, if I am going to be fair and take the latest comment about AC discussions from a current dev verbatim, I have to take DEs comments as verbatim as well, and I think we all should.

You really can't dismiss one dev comment and take the next one word for word and expect that argument or position to have a solid valid base IMO. You either take it word for word or you don't. If you dismiss DE as more opinion and speculation, you have to do the same with the latest dev comment.

It's really the only way to be fair about it from my perspective.

Also, leveling up a new character is not cheap. The cost to reroll my smuggler was substantial...but I did reroll him. The most expensive part was getting the crafting up to the right level, matched to the old character. He was cybertech.

It took next to no effort naturally, but basically left me almost broke. I spent some cash in the CM, bought some armor, and sold it on the GTN to get my money back. I have about half of it back at the moment.

Now, the one good thing about my reroll is that this time I was more efficient with leveling up my cybertech, so I actually ended up EXCEEDING my original level in crafting for about the same cost...second times the charm.

But WOW was it boring. Still, I'm happy with the result though a bit burned out.

This was a character that was level 21. It's hard for me to imagine how expensive it would be to reroll a character that is level 30, or 40 with maxed crafting...that would probably hurt. Again, the market can help out with the cost if you are willing to pony up some cash.

All in all I would say it was a good experience to reroll. Some bad points to it, sure, but I like how he turned out.

Just wanted to share my reroll experience.

tbh i DO take the dev word as a i take a politician word : as just a opinion or spew that they just say. sure, the devs are the word of god in this game, but im not stupid. i read many times on this forum when they back out of what they were saying or just completely change their stance. their word (all of it) are unreliable until i see on the PTS or live server patch notes. that is me being honest.

to me that seems to be the problem on this thread, both side tend to cherry pick quotes that support their claim from the devs or cherry pick what is and isnt acceptable from other mmos. for example, a couple of pages back, some poster actually use the "norm of the industry" (a.k.a the mmo juggernaut W0W) as a standard of what this game should or shouldnt be about, but ironically each time a poster suggest a W0W mechanics or a "norm of the industry" QoL like dual spec, the SAME PEOPLE (or some of the same ppl on this thread) say W0W or the industry shouldnt dictate how this game should work and go "NO WAY , gfto with that idea"

i dont care either way tbh (if we get it , we get it, if we dont we dont) my new issue is how hypocritical alot of ppl is in this thread with what can or cant be allow via mmo industry norm

Passion can do that to folks.

I have made a sincere attempt to look at both sides of the issue in an unbiased way, which at times has been difficult I must admit. I was disappointed to find out that they were discussing AC change recently, and even more disappointed that it seemed to be something folks still wanted, but I had to digress.

After all, I can't be selfish about it. Majority rules and all that. If....and only if....the majority want this it should be implemented. If not, it should not.

I am hoping the majority do NOT want this to come to pass. But if they do I will accept it. I must if I want to keep playing the game.

Some folks just have trouble accepting the fact that like it or not the decision is in Bioware's hands, and it could go either way depending on demand. They may find themselves in the minority...and that is something they will have to come to terms with.

I agree that there does seem to be an awful lot of people who want to use WOW as a reason for implementing dual spec in this game, but dismissing WOW as a reason NOT to allow class changes.

If you care to go back and check, you will find that it was one of the pro class change advocates that first brought up the term "industry norm" saying that he saw no reason why class changes weren't an "industry norm". All the anti class change proponents did was to point out that class changes were NOT an "industry norm". I do not recall anyone mentioning WOW with the term "industry norm", although both WOW and "industry norm" have been mentioned in multiple posts.

If your talking about class changes your on the wrong thread, this is about advance class changes.

It says a lot when some are still saying "We can't have AC change because WoW does not allow class change." That's like saying Kellogs can't reduce the sugar content in Frosted Flakes simply because Quaker hasn't reduced the sugar content of Cap'n Crunch.

Lets quit comparing irrelevant things to other irrelevant things to try making a statement. Lets focus on the subject at hand.

Advance Class Changes
Class Changes

Like it or not, they are 2 different things until further notice. There has been a post and the most recent post on this subject saying it will most likely happen in the near future, but who knows what that entirely means. There has been posts awhile back saying that ACs are your class. They have changed their minds about this subject multiple times that we cant keep going back to dev posts.

Regardless how you feel on this subject, we can all agree that they need to do something about this because its never going to end if they dont.

This game was initially built to allow AC changes as stated multiple times before launch. Deny it all you want but its true. You can say it was budget issues that kept them from separating the 2 advance classes in each class further but thats a bunch of BS.

Right now the best thing we can do is wait for BW to decide what they want to do about this, this thread has gone in circles over and over and its come down to "read previous posts for reasons". No one wants to talk about this anymore, they want to try converting others to come on their side, and thats not going to do anything. Both parties have given outstanding reasons and now its up to BW to make the decision.

I'm not saying lets quit talking about this, but please, lets stay on topic, lets argue/debate and not put others down or call them lazy or stupid or any of that other nonsense.

Once again, you prove that you think you know more than the devs. The devs have said several times that AC's are DIFFERENT classes, therefore we are talking about class changes.

You keep repeating that as if repetition alone is enough to carry the day for you.

We all know dev posts arent permanent. As stated before, the most recent dev post was they are going to allow AC changes.