ETA on Advanced Class change?

as far as we know though. i mean, if the ACs were truly its own classes and totally unique and never should be messed with: then did bioware even consider AC change?to me this infer that AC are just subsets classes, not actual classes like the main 8 storyline classes. i mean, bioware will never said, imply hinted or deserved a jedi knight to become a jedi consular or even offer a option to do so because those classes are fundamentally different. there are no similarity between the two, they dont share the same story,the same stat and etc.AC on the other hand, both share the same story, character,same stat and etc. of course though, this is me and you debating on the word of devs that are no longer even apart of the swtor team.


therefore what we are discussing about is really moot. now im gonna concentrate pvp on my shadow (i keep missing the pvp join window because i posting on this thread lol)

im gonna end this to say we gonna have to agree to disagree

Ok well I guess you're very young. Compared to the development time of the game (possibly over 60 mos), 2-4 mos is a very small fraction of that time. Making a significant change in that amount of time would qualify as "at the last minute" to me... But whatever, I see we're probably not going to agree on anything.

as i said before, the devs have said ALOT of things and the did a face heel on or were just plain wrong on and only said what they said as a excuse for something. using their quotes as a form of absolutism (in any context to support or counter a point) is stupid. these forums and constantly hitted with devs , community manager and alike saying "well [x] work like [y], but then later say [well [x] really worked like [z]"

i cant believe both sides is

1. using the word of a dev that was fired and no longer relevant to the new dev team

2. they are using the often shifty devs words as a form a certainty/ the word of god that will never be broken.


the DEVs do LIE or "misrepresent" something that later they actually go "my bad when i said that, i actually meant this"

missed my point again, you need to learn how to comprehend what im saying man.

my point is that the devs have a tendency to say one thing then turn around and say sometime else or lie went they really meant something else. in fact, let use AC change for example,i believe that in this thread we have seen a the Devs quotes pre 2.0 do exactly that, they say AC change was on the way then went nah we're not doing AC change then went to back to we probably gonna do it.

i seen politicians that maintain their words tighter than swtor dev team. AC were called "classes" because at the time they probably didnt want to bother with AC changing or etc. later on, they probably change their opinion on it and then decided that AC isnt really it OWN SEPARATE CLASS but just SUBSETS and figured that AC change is acceptable...until they change their mind again and said no to AC....THEN said they are reconsider or whatever political jungian BW spewed.



TL;DR or DCP (Didnt Comprehend the Post)

swtor dev team constantly say things that were outright lies or misrepresent a something when put on the spot. we have seen MANY times that the dev team, community manager and etc apologies because they didnt worded what they said exactly. to actually believe that AC is truly is its own separate classes is ridiculous as it would have its own unique features that isnt tied into anything other classes from either factions.

their word is ironically as trustworthy as a forum member getting his or her news from a fan website.at least with the forum member have an excuse as they are reading unfounded rumors that the fan sites founded when they datamined for the game. bioware on the other hand, have no excuse.

I would guess that they made that statement in November 2012 in response to the constant clamoring for AC changes, not because they "changed their minds" about AC's being different classes. Note that nowhere in the statement made in November 2012 do the devs even hint at AC's not being different classes.


Also note, that they have not uttered a single peep about class changes since that statement, despite this almost 300 page thread and countless other threads asking for class changes.

Given the numerous statements made stating that AC's are different and separate classes, and their complete and total silence on this matter since that statement from November 2012, I would guess that class changes will not be happening anytime in the foreseeable future.

They have also said that they wanted to do 16 classes but could not afford to do 16 stories. The only reason we have AC system, at all, is because they didn't want to do 16 stories. I don't think these are lies, misspoken, or whatever your argument is. The devs view AC as different classes whether you like it or not.

Changing AC IS changing character spec class. There is no precedent in the genre to change classes in any MMO where there are in fact spec classes. Even WoW (who has monetized just about everything in terms of players changing their characters) won't touch that one with a ten foot pole.

What "genre" are you talking about? MMOs? Theme park MMOs? Sci fi MMOs?

Plus, even if true, we're talking about a game, not U.S. Supreme Court decisions. "Precedent" is an irrelevant concept.

MMOs is the genre.

And as I said, the concept of precedent is irrelevant. One thing and one thing only matters: will it make money?

You can try to spin it as some kind of social movement, but in the end, it's just a game.