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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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branmakmuffin
08.02.2013 , 09:31 PM | #2701
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
I'm not telling anyone what to do or not do when they log into the game. I have no power to disallow or dictate to you anything.
You are opposed to AC change just because you don't like it. That's justification for you not to do it. It's not justification for you to say that others should not be allowed to do it.

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ekwalizer
08.02.2013 , 09:43 PM | #2702
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
News Flash:

You are given a choice not to do an AC change but other players can if they wish to do so, since well...you don't pay their sub now do you?

Pro-AC change offers choice.

You offer no choice, only put self-rules in place to restrict other players game experience.
Self rules? Hot damn! Rat and I are Bioware Devs now!

Any player with an AC **********MADE********** a ***********CHOICE***********. Choices have consequences.

Players make irreversible choices in games every minute of every hour of every day.

"Man, I'd really like to see what happens to Tarro Blood at the end of Act 1 if I don't (blanity blank blank)."
"I'm going to start a thread on the forum, I think we should be able to replay class quests because I need more choices and that would make me happy and I'm the one that pays my subscription fee and that makes the whole game revolve around me and me alone."

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branmakmuffin
08.02.2013 , 09:46 PM | #2703
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Self rules? Hot damn! Rat and I are Bioware Devs now!

Any player with an AC **********MADE********** a ***********CHOICE***********. Choices have consequences.
And the context of that choice is indeed life-altering. So much so that it made you post in all caps with a bunch of asterisks for even more emphasis.

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ekwalizer
08.02.2013 , 09:48 PM | #2704
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Get rid of AC altogether. Pick your class at level 1. Problem solved.
I agree.

Gender, Story, AC, Species, enter game. Problem solved. At that point it is hard coded to your toon at Level 0.

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ekwalizer
08.02.2013 , 09:49 PM | #2705
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
And the context of that choice is indeed life-altering. So much so that it made you post in all caps with a bunch of asterisks for even more emphasis.
Your point?

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ekwalizer
08.02.2013 , 10:04 PM | #2706
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
Well, to be honest BW brought this on them selves by splitting classes into two similar subclasses instead of just making 8 unique classes. We wouldn't even have this discussion if so much of the "base" class wasn't shared by both sub-classes.

Unfortunately, there ARE enough similarities to justify allowing AC changing, if for no other reason than for players to take a favored character that they put a lot of effort into or consider their "main" and switch to the other spec that may be more suited to their play style.

It is pretty hard to get a good feel for how well you mesh with a play style until you actually hit 50/55 and get it's full potential. Some people might prefer the Trooper over the Counselor but be unsure if they should go Commando or Trooper and if they pick wrong they might not find out how wrong until after they've put a ton of time into it.

I do not advocate allowing AC change as willy-nilly as spec change, but I do think people should get a chance to change their mind without having to start all over from the beginning.
It is no secret that I am diametrically opposed 100% to 3 pro-AC change people in this thread.

That said, I agree 100% with this post.

I am not 100% anti-AC-change. I have played games that allowed class change (virtually at will, 1x/month free) and it wasn't a problem - even at end game play. Having said that, by the time that was reality, SWG was a very small playerbase, most of whom had been playing for 5+ years. People that knew all the "ins and outs" of every class and role.

We aren't "there" yet in this game.

I would support the following:

Option 1: Status Quo
Option 2: One free respec at level 50 for subscribers with the completion of Act 3, retroactive. Following a 30 day CD from initial respec allow One free respec at current game max level for subscribers. Maximum total 2 respecs per lifetime of toon for subscribers separated by no less than 30 days. NO exceptions, no further debate, no F2P respec options.

This way, if you hate your AC at 50(or 55 if you are already there), you can go to the alternate AC. If it turns out, that you hate that more, you can go back. Once you have experienced both at "end game", you no longer have any argument to make for further respec.

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PeterTLJr
08.02.2013 , 10:07 PM | #2707
Blah blah blah, people need to get off the whole "choices are permanent" subject. That was already broken when you can change your name and appearance. Also dont forget, if you mess up during a story dialog your able to correct it by resetting quest, theres another example of how "choices are permanent" have been broken. I dont see how its somehow okay to switch your race completely but its too chaotic to switch your AC (which is not a class change btw no matter how much you want to fight that).

Also some of you need to quit getting all worked up over this, if someone wants to change their AC it does not affect you. If this feature were to be implemented I think its safe to say there would be restrictions on it and they would do it in a manner that would appeal to everyone. If your happy with your AC then good for you, if your not happy then deal with it and reroll until this is put in if it ever is.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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ekwalizer
08.02.2013 , 10:30 PM | #2708
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Blah blah blah, people need to get off the whole "choices are permanent" subject. That was already broken when you can change your name and appearance. Also dont forget, if you mess up during a story dialog your able to correct it by resetting quest, theres another example of how "choices are permanent" have been broken. I dont see how its somehow okay to switch your race completely but its too chaotic to switch your AC (which is not a class change btw no matter how much you want to fight that).

Also some of you need to quit getting all worked up over this, if someone wants to change their AC it does not affect you. If this feature were to be implemented I think its safe to say there would be restrictions on it and they would do it in a manner that would appeal to everyone. If your happy with your AC then good for you, if your not happy then deal with it and reroll until this is put in if it ever is.
Hi! Welcome to the thread. We detailed about a billion pages ago how it does in fact impact us. You are welcome to read the entire thread in order to properly educate yourself.

Your chosen Race has ZERO bearing or impact on your play-style, story or any event in the game. It is simply how you are pixalated on everyone's screen. Your name/Legacy Name have no bearing on how you interact with the game.

Every single Pro-AC change argument posited thus far in this thread has been made 1000 times since late beta. None of which have been successful because they do not pass the common sense test.

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Spatology
08.02.2013 , 10:32 PM | #2709
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You are opposed to AC change just because you don't like it. That's justification for you not to do it. It's not justification for you to say that others should not be allowed to do it.
You are stuck on attacking people who disagree. Also, im not intrested in another system in game that bioware gets to greedily farm CC off of 0 human oversight. There is NO reason to pay real life money for this in game system. They arent paying anyone to do anything besides program the initial code....does that really equate to thousands of microtransactions? Poppycock.

Ive supported my opinion with reason.

-2 of the classes cant preform all 3 availible roles, making them less desireable and underrespresented if this change is made.

-Most people need training wheels because they dont know WTH they are doing 60% of the time. Im not saying this to be a jerk or callous, its just true. Some people need a path to follow in order to even get beyond square one. Now give them the option to desiminate all the aquired experience to try something they think will be "very similar"...yeah right.

2 valid reason's why allowing someone to change their class to something they've never played before would be a negative influence on the community as a whole.

Not to mention, if the person has already gotten several no longer aquireable items or titles or whatever it is that people want to keep, they have acheived some measure of sucess. I dont follow this line of reasoning as a logical point, but asthetically, I guess it has merit.

Im abo****ely entitled, as a subscriber, to voice my opinion when potential resources could be used for this instead of content im intrested in. Yes im selfish. Sorry.

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PeterTLJr
08.02.2013 , 10:45 PM | #2710
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Hi! Welcome to the thread. We detailed about a billion pages ago how it does in fact impact us. You are welcome to read the entire thread in order to properly educate yourself.

Your chosen Race has ZERO bearing or impact on your play-style, story or any event in the game. It is simply how you are pixalated on everyone's screen. Your name/Legacy Name have no bearing on how you interact with the game.

Every single Pro-AC change argument posited thus far in this thread has been made 1000 times since late beta. None of which have been successful because they do not pass the common sense test.
Nope, if I were to switch ACs, it wouldnt affect you at all.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.