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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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TridusSWTOR
08.02.2013 , 12:20 PM | #2681
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Get rid of AC altogether. Pick your class at level 1. Problem solved.
Let's remove all chances of making Alts as well.

Since people like rakajaka are concerned with noobs entering his playing area. We have to limit people to learn one class and one spec only.

Yes that means removing respec options, once you pick your points, it's done.

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branmakmuffin
08.02.2013 , 12:23 PM | #2682
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
You aren't the first to ask this question, read the thread for your answer. Also, I'm not smug, I'm sure you take it that way. Regardless, wanting things without putting in effort that others have for said thing is the epitome of lazy. No more approprite adjective comes to mind for this situation.
There is no effort required to play the game. Your "effort" argument is specious. If AC change is allowed, no one will force you to do it. No one is dictating to you how to play. You want to disallow people to change ACs. You are trying to dictate to others how to play. That sums it up.

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TridusSWTOR
08.02.2013 , 12:24 PM | #2683
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
Far too much ambiguity and redundancy has plagued this thread.

The majority of the Pro's and Con's collected for us by L.A., in reality, are the same issues. They are simply rephrased in order to maintain an aura of neutrality.

It's very sad to see people sacrifice legitimacy in order to support ideals that intrinsically hold little water.

Blatently denying that you just want AC change for QoL purposes (ie im lazy and dont wanna level another character) is lame. Own up.

Atleast im honest, i dont want AC change because ive already leveled characters of the same class because i wanted to play the other AC. I did what was nessesary to enjoy the game in the way I pleased. It is a slight to all players who have done this to institute this change.

Just to add frosting to the cake, from the way EA/Bioware has treated its loyal customers so far, its likely they will institute this change. Even if it means minimal profit gain, and pisses off half the player base. If they think they can get away with it, you better beleive EA is gonna get that $$$$$$$$$$$
I leveled every AC to 55 and on both factions.

I support AC change. Therefore you're argument is nullified.

You started off well enough but then you just dismissed an entire side due to personal beliefs, but first said yourself that doing that was wrong. So bad wording on your part. Nevertheless, if you can't see both sides, then it's clear you in the "I got mine, forget everyone else!" camp.

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LordArtemis
08.02.2013 , 03:24 PM | #2684
Pro-AC change offers somewhat the illusion of choice IMO. It does, in fact, offer more options and in this case it is entirely speculative as to whether or not that is a bad thing.

But one could argue allowing a person to roll a fresh 55 from creation is choice, you don't have to do it, but it might have a negative impact on the game.

Same with giving players 1 million credits to start or a full set of end game armor. Some choices could have detrimental effects.

Grant it this likely qualifies as a strawman...still, one can see that in some cases "choice" might be viewed as a bad thing.

The illusion of choice might come in when it comes to underrepresented ACs, being that some of them have poor design but I would speculate some players stick with them because to time and unlock/training investment. That may change if they are allowed to change AC...they may in fact be expected to change to certain more useful ACs depending on the situation.

Not the strongest point, but still possible IMO.

If this is offered (I don't care for it, but can't deny it to the masses if they desire it) I think that safeguards have to be in place to prevent abuse.

I still think the best option is to leave it as is, or even better to remove the base class all together, call it a path, have us choose our AC at level 1, which then becomes your base class. That is how it should have been from the very beginning IMO.

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Spatology
08.02.2013 , 03:48 PM | #2685
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
I leveled every AC to 55 and on both factions.

I support AC change. Therefore you're argument is nullified.

You started off well enough but then you just dismissed an entire side due to personal beliefs, but first said yourself that doing that was wrong. So bad wording on your part. Nevertheless, if you can't see both sides, then it's clear you in the "I got mine, forget everyone else!" camp.
A. I don't believe you.
B. I see both sides for what they are, you have rose tinted glasses from some bias you've developed.
C. I dismissed nones opinion.

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Spatology
08.02.2013 , 03:55 PM | #2686
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
There is no effort required to play the game. Your "effort" argument is specious. If AC change is allowed, no one will force you to do it. No one is dictating to you how to play. You want to disallow people to change ACs. You are trying to dictate to others how to play. That sums it up.
Stop misappropriating my intentions please.

I'm not telling anyone what to do or not do when they log into the game. I have no power to disallow or dictate to you anything.

Though, you have all the power to enjoy each AC however you choose.

.If I exerted no effort, you won't mind doing the same, right?

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LordArtemis
08.02.2013 , 04:34 PM | #2687
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
Stop misappropriating my intentions please.

I'm not telling anyone what to do or not do when they log into the game. I have no power to disallow or dictate to you anything.

Though, you have all the power to enjoy each AC however you choose.

.If I exerted no effort, you won't mind doing the same, right?
You still didn't answer my question as to whether or not you feel I am somehow being disingenuous with my pros and cons list I provided. Your not required to answer naturally, but I would like to know if you feel that I am presenting myself or the post in some disingenuous way.

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TridusSWTOR
08.02.2013 , 04:58 PM | #2688
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
A. I don't believe you.
B. I see both sides for what they are, you have rose tinted glasses from some bias you've developed.
C. I dismissed nones opinion.
A. Glad you missed the entire point.
B. Re-read and respond correctly.
C. You displayed nothing but bias.

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TridusSWTOR
08.02.2013 , 04:59 PM | #2689
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
Stop misappropriating my intentions please.

I'm not telling anyone what to do or not do when they log into the game. I have no power to disallow or dictate to you anything.

Though, you have all the power to enjoy each AC however you choose.

.If I exerted no effort, you won't mind doing the same, right?
AC change option- You have the choice to do it or not.

No AC change option- You have no choice.

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Soluss
08.02.2013 , 06:01 PM | #2690
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
I leveled every AC to 55 and on both factions.

I support AC change. Therefore you're argument is nullified.

You started off well enough but then you just dismissed an entire side due to personal beliefs, but first said yourself that doing that was wrong. So bad wording on your part. Nevertheless, if you can't see both sides, then it's clear you in the "I got mine, forget everyone else!" camp.
You have 16 level 55's? Forgive me if I don't believe you. You are far too heavy in this thread for pro ac. That pretty much points you out as one who wants to change AC. If you have all 16 ac's, at level 55, you wouldn't need to.
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