ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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shadowrouge

07.31.2013 , 03:59 PM \| #2641	Quote
I hate this debate but here goes. The main reason not to change is the Guard/Sent, Jug/Mara. One uses heavy armor the other medium. One uses one weapon the other uses two. Sure they share one tree. but the other two tress don't have a single thing in common. One is Tank/Dps off tank. the other is DPS plain and simple. Ones DPS is hard heavy hitting single blows. The other is fast multiple low hitting blows. These two do not make good AC switching. Playing one well does not mean you can play the other well on the fly. So do I care if they allow it? yes. Should you be able to tell someone switched AC before you group with them. Yes. Will they? have no idea. Let those that want it have it. But make it a CC market item that is one time per buy use. and make it 5000+ CC's. and put it on a one week cool down and I will have no problems with it. Will slow down the Flav of the month crowd and make BW money so I can have more content to play with my Toons I lvled from lvl 1
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Soluss

07.31.2013 , 04:07 PM \| #2642	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin Which, of course, makes no sense. Makes sense to me. What do you care anyways.
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TUXs

07.31.2013 , 05:04 PM \| #2643	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack You can dismiss those REASONS if you wish. By your logic in dismissing those REASONS, you have provided NO reason to allow it. The "reasons" you have provided for implementing class changes have no more proof or validity than the ones I provided as to why the game mechanics should remain as they are, the way the devs designed and implemented them. All you have done is put up baseless speculation and assumption. I asked for a valid reason, you gave me a list of garbage excuses without anything to support your fictitious claims. The reason to allow it is simple...some players want to use it. If that's what it takes to keep people interested, I'm 100% for it. Just because the Devs designed something one way, doesn't mean it was right. Remember the game at launch? You could only have 2 windows open at a time, opening a 3rd, closed one, a companion returning, closed one. They changed that thankfully because it was...a BAD design. Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack In the end, one of us is arguing for an existing game mechanic, designed and implemented by the devs, to be changed and one of us is asking that the game mechanic in question not be changed. Which one of is trying to control how the game is played? Would that be the one trying to change the game to suit himself, or the one asking that it NOT be changed? Yes, you'd like to keep it the way it is, I believe there are numerous valid reasons to allow it. My main reason is CHOICE! I'm not trying to change the game to suit my needs either, I have a Vanguard, a Commando, a Sage, a Sentinel and an Agent. I like my AC's and my original choices. I wouldn't change any of them. But I know players who would like to and I'm certain there are many who would like to that I don't know. Just because you believe that this shouldn't be changed, doesn't mean you're right...nor does it mean I am...we just differ in our opinions on it. I still haven't heard that ONE good reason not to allow it. Not one. I challenge you one more time...please, give me ONE valid reason this would be bad for the game.
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branmakmuffin

07.31.2013 , 05:06 PM \| #2644	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss Makes sense to me. What do you care anyways. How do you justify being in favor of the more drastic change? Because you like it? Well, then, if that's justification in your mind for allowing faction change, then it's way more than enough to implement the much less drastic change of AC swap.

Soluss

07.31.2013 , 06:58 PM \| #2645	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin How do you justify being in favor of the more drastic change? Because you like it? Well, then, if that's justification in your mind for allowing faction change, then it's way more than enough to implement the much less drastic change of AC swap. Because it would fit with the lore of turning to the darkside or lightside and I think they could make a really awesome questline out of it. It could give some meaning to the light/dark choices. Meaning they could implement something that you have to go the opposite you are. If you are light then you would have to reach dark V to even get the questline. I also don't expect it to ever happen and if it did then probably a straight CC unlock, which I would not be on board with. I also don't have to justify to you or anyone else, why I am or am not on board with anything.
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drorold

07.31.2013 , 07:35 PM \| #2646	Quote
hey you all mybe just talk to swtor ! if you rally wan to ac change i wan it we need do something like this

Ratajack

07.31.2013 , 07:58 PM \| #2647	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs I asked for a valid reason, you gave me a list of garbage excuses without anything to support your fictitious claims. The reason to allow it is simple...some players want to use it. If that's what it takes to keep people interested, I'm 100% for it. Just because the Devs designed something one way, doesn't mean it was right. Remember the game at launch? You could only have 2 windows open at a time, opening a 3rd, closed one, a companion returning, closed one. They changed that thankfully because it was...a BAD design. Yes, you'd like to keep it the way it is, I believe there are numerous valid reasons to allow it. My main reason is CHOICE! I'm not trying to change the game to suit my needs either, I have a Vanguard, a Commando, a Sage, a Sentinel and an Agent. I like my AC's and my original choices. I wouldn't change any of them. But I know players who would like to and I'm certain there are many who would like to that I don't know. Just because you believe that this shouldn't be changed, doesn't mean you're right...nor does it mean I am...we just differ in our opinions on it. I still haven't heard that ONE good reason not to allow it. Not one. I challenge you one more time...please, give me ONE valid reason this would be bad for the game. We've given MANY reasons not to allow it. You just choose to dismiss and ignore them. Many do not consider "choice" to be a good reason to allow class changes considering the possible (probable) negative impact on the game. Let's fact the truth. The MAIN reason people are asking for class changes is because they do not want to put the time or effort into actually leveling that new class. The one argument that I consider the most valid is those players who have unique items on their main that can no longer be obtained in game. To address this, though, there have been suggested compromises which would allow players to change class, but also address most of the major concerns that those opposed to class changes have expressed. Most of those wanting class changes refuse to even consider these suggested compromises, though.

Jimvinny

07.31.2013 , 11:21 PM \| #2648	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs I asked for a valid reason, you gave me a list of garbage excuses without anything to support your fictitious claims. The reason to allow it is simple...some players want to use it. If that's what it takes to keep people interested, I'm 100% for it. Just because the Devs designed something one way, doesn't mean it was right. Remember the game at launch? You could only have 2 windows open at a time, opening a 3rd, closed one, a companion returning, closed one. They changed that thankfully because it was...a BAD design. Yes, you'd like to keep it the way it is, I believe there are numerous valid reasons to allow it. My main reason is CHOICE! I'm not trying to change the game to suit my needs either, I have a Vanguard, a Commando, a Sage, a Sentinel and an Agent. I like my AC's and my original choices. I wouldn't change any of them. But I know players who would like to and I'm certain there are many who would like to that I don't know. Just because you believe that this shouldn't be changed, doesn't mean you're right...nor does it mean I am...we just differ in our opinions on it. I still haven't heard that ONE good reason not to allow it. Not one. I challenge you one more time...please, give me ONE valid reason this would be bad for the game. If you think the reason to allow it is simply that players want it, I'll counter with this; It should not be allowed, because there are lots of players that DON'T want it.

LordArtemis

08.01.2013 , 12:02 AM \| #2649	Quote
My reasons are valid, and your reasons are garbage!!! No, my reasons are valid and your reasons are garbage!!! There is no valid reason why this should not be added!!! No, there is no valid reason why this should be allowed!!! Seriously guys? You feel this somehow furthers your point? What exactly about this kind of exchange do you think is compelling and intuitive?
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TUXs

08.01.2013 , 07:57 AM \| #2650	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack Let's fact the truth. The MAIN reason people are asking for class changes is because they do not want to put the time or effort into actually leveling that new class Ah...ok. Your "fact" is that you want to punish players who wish to change ACs by making them reroll the class. You don't see how someone switching to a heal/tank/dps role could possibly benefit the community? You see this as ONLY a selfish request. My reason for wanting it is...if it makes someone happy, go for it. Why would I seriously care what AC someone else wanted to be? There's NO negative to allowing it...not for me, not for the community. The only reason I've heard for NOT allowing it is punitive.
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