ETA on Advanced Class change?

No, I did not. It is plain as day what happened and why. Post histories stand in evidence. I will let others draw their own conclusions.

Insulting, perhaps. Less than civil, possibly. I tend to react with snark to folks that deride others for having opinions that oppose their own or engage in trollish behavior. Like I stated..my history isn't perfect, but I would compare it to others and let the forum decide.

In this case throwing stones is probably not wise.

Fair enough. I will put my post history up against yours and let the chips fall where they may. We will let the forum draw their own conclusions.

You made a mistake. You lashed out at me because you THOUGHT I was part of the pro-AC change group simply because I was reasonable. You wanted and still want all anti-AC change folks to be vehement about it.

When you realized your mistake you tried to cover it. It didn't work.

That is the reason. Again, evidence in post history.

You have clearly demonstrated otherwise.

If my message to you is not clear, it is only because you choose for it not to be. I have made it painfully clear whether or not you and I have any common ground on which to have a discussion....I am NOT willing to discuss it with you or the likes of you until your behavior improves.

I think I've made it pretty clear I DO have a problem with your behavior on this forum, specifically in this thread. Until that changes my earlier comment stands.

That is because it is the truth..I am quick to post the truth.

Frankly, if you can't be bothered to pay attention when it has been posted MULTIPLE TIMES in response to your accusations it was LIES that is not my problem.

And there is the crux of the issue. You want me to grab the torches and pitchforks like others have chosen to do...since I have chosen to be more reasonable you have determined I am your enemy. Your intent is crystal clear.

You call it a soft no...as others have. I cant argue against that. I choose to take it for what it means instead. I can do that...it's my opinion. You do not have a right to dictate my opinion to me, or tell others what their opinions should be.

It is not a reason posted in this thread. It is a ridiculous contention posted by folks over and over that is stating the obvious IMO.

Anyone who chooses an AC knows it is stated that it is permanent. So it will not be added to the list because it is not a reason...it is a bully tactic by forum members that wish to muscle their opinion on others IMO...just as ridiculous as the Pro AC change statement that "you have no right to tell me how to play"...

These kind of combative reasons will never make the list. I do not take sides when it comes to the list. I simply leave out the trollish reasons, as I should.

So you say. And you saying so does not make it so. But you have every right to say that.

Playing a wounded dove does not further your contentions.

...which is the reason why neither of those contentions are in the list as well. They are just as ridiculous as saying "the choice is permanent, Bioware said so" or "no dev has ever said they are considering change". I leave out the posturing in the list. Anyone who is actually willing to DISCUSS the issue has their reasons pro or con added to the list. I ignore the trollish comments.

I tend to think you are getting the same respect you are showing everyone here. If you wish to garner more respect for your views you may consider changing your behavior and it will likely happen to your satisfaction. Your behavior so far has been disappointing.

You don't have to justify yourself to me. Nor do you need my approval. All you need is self respect.

Again, playing the wounded dove. Does not lend credit to your contentions. Problem is that people can view your post history. I think others might come to different conclusions.

And by the way...an Anti AC change forum member that does not accept trolling behavior from other side does not become a Pro AC change person by default. Trolls do not represent any side...they only represent themselves with trollish behavior. I submit that trolls do not represent the Anti AC change group and should not be viewed as such. I believe the Anti AC change group is much more reasonable and open to discussion.

I think all Trollish behavior on both sides should be rejected, and all opinions based on or presented in that trollish manner be ignored. They do not deserve consideration IMO.

I do not need nor ask for your respect. I ask you to respect yourself. Then you may receive what you ask.

For now you and I have nothing to discuss. If your behavior changes that may change in the future.

Perhaps because using the same tired arguments that have habitually lost isn't going to go anywhere. If I didn't like participating in this discussion I would have sent the link list of related threads to the mods and had this one shut down.

I'm not 100% diehard against it, but if it ever happens it needs to be done right. Low level respec, and multiple respec scenarios will always be met with a wall of resistance.

That should give it more weight because the problem would be compounded by people that not only don't know their AC but they also don't know their spec or role as you clearly pointed out.

I could live with an early AC swap (maybe pre-30) but I would oppose one at or near the level cap. With all the threads around about "Noobs in endgame" and personal experience I think that a swap that late would be chaos, with all the people in endgame content playing basically brand new toons. They should have at least the 30-55 experience under their belt before endgame at least. I would rather not see one at all, but whatever, I just think a swap around 30ish could qualm some of the arguments in this thread, with both sides compromising.

This is a terrible idea that would trivialise the whole achievement of the leveling process. I hope it never happens.

To see how ridiculous this is, imagine in WoW you could swap class of your warriors to a priest. How ridiculous is that? It completely devalues the efforts of those who leveled the class from scratch.

This actually seems reasonable. I mean I still think getting to level 45 lets you fully give you the tools to learn a class. But forcing someone to level from 30 to 55 is a fair deal. Good suggestion and good post, I hope it gets added to the list of comprises or solutions.

That can be applied to both sides. That's why it's baseless when someone says "Oh you guys could be doing X instead of typing on these forums." Since, you know...there is such a thing as multitasking.

These forums are for discussion, waving your hand saying people should stop posting kinda defeats the purpose of the whole forum idea. That's why you need to stop using those habitually lost arguments and start coming up with new ones.

How is switching your advanced class any different from switching from a full on damage-spec to a full on heal-spec?

I think that one of the options listed is level 30, if not Ill check the list and add it.

When you change your spec from DPS to heal, do you change your weapon or the number of weapons you can wield? Do you change from melee to ranged?

When you change from DPS to tank, do you need to change your weapon, armor or the number of weapons you can wield? Do you have to switch from ranged DPS to melee tank?


Changing your spec within a class is one thing, but changing your class is another. Your AC is your class.