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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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justandulas
07.28.2013 , 06:51 PM | #2521
Hopefully, never. It isn't like WoW where changing your spec is just a change of pace, in SWTOR changing your A/C is the equivalent of changing classes outright. Going from assassin to lightning sorc for instance is the WoW equivalent of going from stealth rogue to lightning mage. I'm against A/C switching, especially since lvling is so easy in this game. If you aren't happy with your AC, make an alt. It's as simple as that
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branmakmuffin
07.28.2013 , 06:55 PM | #2522
Quote: Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
Hopefully, never. It isn't like WoW where changing your spec is just a change of pace, in SWTOR changing your A/C is the equivalent of changing classes outright. Going from assassin to lightning sorc for instance is the WoW equivalent of going from stealth rogue to lightning mage. I'm against A/C switching, especially since lvling is so easy in this game. If you aren't happy with your AC, make an alt. It's as simple as that
Except in WoW, stealth rogue and lightning mage do not share the same base class as Sorcerer and Assassin do. It's as simple as that.

I'm being sarcastic with my "It's as simple as that." When someone says "It's as simple as that," it is never as simple as that. They just want to forestall discussion on a debatable topic.

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ekwalizer
07.28.2013 , 06:58 PM | #2523
It has BEEN debated. Literally hundreds of times. Here are but a few:

Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
This thread from December 2011, was unsuccessful: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=103125

This thread from January 2012, was unsuccessful: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=178253

Also from January 2012, went no where: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

This thread from April 2012, was unsuccessful: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=421686

From August 2012: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

From November 2012: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

This thread from June 2013, went no where: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

This thread from July 2013, went no where: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

I could go on and on. There is literally 1-2 posts per month on this topic.
As I said before you cannot expect to win an argument when you use the same argument that has lost every other time.

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justandulas
07.28.2013 , 06:58 PM | #2524
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Except in WoW, stealth rogue and lightning mage do not share the same base class as Sorcerer and Assassin do. It's as simple as that.

I'm being sarcastic with my "It's as simple as that." When someone says "It's as simple as that," it is never as simple as that. They just want to forestall discussion on a debatable topic.
I didn't re-read the entire thread so the simple as that comment was just that, just a comment. And yea, it is just like the stealth rogue and lightning mage switch. They share the same base but that seperates at 10. It's like in WoW if rogue/mage/warrior/priest all split at 10. Just roll an alt, an AC is basically an entirely seperate class so AC switching would be far more harmful than beneficial for SWTOR
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
-Darth Justandulas

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branmakmuffin
07.28.2013 , 07:01 PM | #2525
Quote: Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
I didn't re-read the entire thread so the simple as that comment was just that, just a comment. And yea, it is just like the stealth rogue and lightning mage switch.
No, it's not.

Your turn.

Quote:
an AC is basically an entirely seperate class so AC switching would be far more harmful than beneficial for SWTOR
In your opinion, regarding both of your assertions in that sentence.

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justandulas
07.28.2013 , 07:03 PM | #2526
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
No, it's not.

Your turn.


In your opinion, regarding both of your assertions in that sentence.
It has been discussed and debated since beta years back. The community more or less agrees with my opinion that it would be more harmful than beneficial to this game since AC's are seperate CLASSES (Not specs). Everytime this topic is brought up, the vote is overwhelmingly AGAINST AC switching.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
-Darth Justandulas

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Soluss
07.28.2013 , 07:08 PM | #2527
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
No, it's not.

Your turn.


In your opinion, regarding both of your assertions in that sentence.
Actually, the Devs do consider the AC's to be its own class. They have said so. The reason it was done this way was to avoid the cost of separate story. That is not opinion.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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ekwalizer
07.28.2013 , 07:12 PM | #2528
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
In your opinion, regarding both of your assertions in that sentence.
It isn't just his opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=178253
Quote: Originally Posted by DanielErickson
Inside each one of those, we treated those as a full class

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=574157
Quote:
Aurozia: Will there be a dual specialization system in the future? Will there be a possibility of changing advance classes as well?
Daniel Erickson: We have no plans for switching advanced classes - which we see as fundamentally different class designs- but dual spec is in the works and coming soon.
Now, that said: http://dulfy.net/2012/11/16/swtor-f2...mion-schubert/
Did say that it was "likely". Likely is not "going to happen". This interview was conducted over 9 months ago and BW had just lost Daniel Erickson. So, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into that until you start to see it from a Gold Name on these forums, or in the patch notes.

At this point there is very little you can do to alter the state of the game. Your argument has been lost by people who made the same case, better.

You lost the moral high ground a long time ago when you and Tidus resorted to condescension and name calling.

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justandulas
07.28.2013 , 07:14 PM | #2529
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
At this point there is very little you can do to alter the state of the game. Your argument has been lost by people who made the same case, better.
Exactly. With all the issues facing SWTOR's future, the lack of pvp content, the missing SSSP, etc... he wants to selfishly waste dev time on AC switching? It would take them forever to get AC switching coded right, would come with an abundance of bugs, and would take development time away from REAL content that matters
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
-Darth Justandulas

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dscount
07.28.2013 , 07:24 PM | #2530
I think a AC Change ONLY in the same CLASS should be available.

SORC can change to SIN and SIN to SORC.
SNIPER can change to OPERATIVE and OPERATIVE to SNIPER.
MERC to POWERTECH or POWERTECH to MERC.

TOTALLY Disagree with going cross class for any changes. (SNIPER> JUGG or MERC > SORC)
Reference Link: Why not? http://www.swtor.com/r/FDltnT
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