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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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branmakmuffin
07.28.2013 , 02:27 PM | #2491
Quote: Originally Posted by DAMossimo View Post
The question to ask is: Will it make EA more money?
Exactly.

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ImperialSun
07.28.2013 , 02:33 PM | #2492
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
And you are still offering "because it's always been this way" as a reason to not change it.

You have no idea why they have not added it. Maybe it's technically difficult.
Please point me to the post from me that says this? You can't, so I will accept the fact that you simply have no better rebuttal that actually making things up that I have never said.

My point is that the current implementation should not be changed because allowing AC swapping is a bad idea for a number of reasons outlined in this thread. I am also saying it's BWs game and THEY have the metrics. THEY obviously dont want to change it either...either for technical reasons or because they dont want it in their game. Take your pick...

As above, BW came out said "no" not in their game before launch, then they considered it again during beta and guess what, said "no" again....maybe they still say no, maybe its a technical problem, take your pick.

I simply state it would not be good for the game and the flat out "no" in the beginning plus the complete silence from BW recently would seem to agree with this appraisal.

Whereas you have to resort to blantant lying be actually claiming I am saying things I am clearly not....you also freely admit in this thread you dont care if AC sawpping is added or it isnt, but you only want it bacause you feel it will annoy the anti crowd....you said it in your own words....

Good. Game. Champ.

Driz

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ImperialSun
07.28.2013 , 02:36 PM | #2493
Quote: Originally Posted by DAMossimo View Post
I have yet to read a compelling reason for the devs to devote time and money into this feature for any other reason that does not end with the tagline: "...because I don't want to roll another character".

The question to ask is: Will it make EA more money? Maybe, but they will also make money reselling unlocks when you have to roll a new character, as well as character slots from the CM in some cases. With this in mind, I fail to see the upside for them to offer such a shortcut, unless it was prohibitively expensive.

To date, I've seen a laundry list of reasons people claim as reasons to unsub/quit from the game, but not once have I seen someone claiming they will do so over the lack of AC switching. If they did, no one would take them seriously anyway.
This ^^^

Doesn't matter which way you slice it, spin it or whatver...this is what it boils down to in essence...

This is no reason to add it either imo.

Driz

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LordArtemis
07.28.2013 , 02:38 PM | #2494
A bioware dev most recently stated that not only had they been having serious discussions about adding AC change to the game, that he believed it was something we would likely see added eventually.

That is actually the most recent comment from them on the issue after the change in development staff. I would guess that most of the folks that either opposed the change or supported the lack of the ability to change AC are gone from the staff....considering many of the recent changes made to the game that the original staff either contended would NEVER happen, could not be done based on the engine or they felt was contrary to the design intent of the game.

I feel their behavior clearly demonstrates that almost anything is on the table. But I do think it is noteworthy that despite the comment he made nothing further has been said, and the race change option he mentioned has already been added to the game. I leave it up to others to determine if there is any meaning that can be gleaned from that.

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LordArtemis
07.28.2013 , 03:01 PM | #2495
Well, the reason I would support a change early on (and note, I would rather not support even that) is that if there was to be any impact on the game that would be negative as a result (debatable naturally) it would be negligible, IMO, early on since the game has you make a choice early anyway.

In other words, just from my perspective, any negative impact would be limited if the choice is allowed prior to level 20 as opposed to later on in the leveling process.

I do, however, understand why some folks would not care for this option.

The one idea I did kind of like was the ability to change AC for a character once you have leveled that AC to level 50...an unlock as it were.

In other words, if you wanted to change your Scoundrel to a Gunslinger you would have to have already leveled a gunslinger to maximum level in the past.

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JaceMatai
07.28.2013 , 03:05 PM | #2496
We need a gold reply on this one. Thousands of views and no BW posts could mean two things: One, They could be passing this on and waiting for a reply (Which they should notify us of anyway), or two, they aren't paying attention to this (Which they should be, because I recall a post from an Employee saying "He thinks this one will happen." (Which is unacceptable.). PLEASE notify us on the state of the ACC option.

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Soluss
07.28.2013 , 03:12 PM | #2497
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, the reason I would support a change early on (and note, I would rather not support even that) is that if there was to be any impact on the game that would be negative as a result (debatable naturally) it would be negligible, IMO, early on since the game has you make a choice early anyway.

In other words, just from my perspective, any negative impact would be limited if the choice is allowed prior to level 20 as opposed to later on in the leveling process.

I do, however, understand why some folks would not care for this option.
The only reason that I am against, even a one time change, is because then we would get this same thread asking for more. You know it, I know, everyone knows it. The second that something is allowed is the second that someone wants more. There will be people that switch because they think the grass is greener, they will realize it is not greener and want to switch back.
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The one idea I did kind of like was the ability to change AC for a character once you have leveled that AC to level 50...an unlock as it were.

In other words, if you wanted to change your Scoundrel to a Gunslinger you would have to have already leveled a gunslinger to maximum level in the past.
In my opinion, this would be a waste of time to even bother to code. Not many people need 2 of the same class.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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MajikMyst
07.28.2013 , 03:13 PM | #2498
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
A bioware dev most recently stated that not only had they been having serious discussions about adding AC change to the game, that he believed it was something we would likely see added eventually.
Source??
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LordArtemis
07.28.2013 , 03:17 PM | #2499
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Source??
You must be joking.

The source has been posted ad infinitum in this thread.

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Soluss
07.28.2013 , 03:21 PM | #2500
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Source??
It was an interview with Damion Schubert that happened about 9 months ago.

Quote:
18. Will be there any faction or Advanced Class change option available for purchase in the future?

We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change option – I think that one will likely happen eventually. Species is likely as well. Doing a faction switch is considerably more difficult for us, though, due to the various quest flags set throughout the level up process, so this isn’t on the horizon anytime soon.
pulled from Dulfy website.

However, Stephen Reid had also said this in an earlier interview:

Quote:
Absolutely anything in the game is potentially open to change in the future. That’s part of what an MMO is about. Your feedback on those changes is absolutely welcome, but just because we say that yes, something may potentially happen in the future… that doesn’t make it a certainty
Bolded the important part that some people would like to ignore.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."