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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Bomyne
07.28.2013 , 01:55 AM | #2451
Race changes are purely cosmetic. There are no stat differences between a human and a twi'lek.

class changes are gamebreaking. Different classes have different stats, for a start. There are different abilities even within the same archtype. If I switch from Shadow to Sage at level 55, should I have to pay for the sage abilities and lose the shadow abilities? What if I switch from Shadow to commando? Should I have to pay for all the trooper archtype and commando abilities? Or should they all just be handed to me? Should a full set of appropriate gear be given to me?
And after that there is story. Different archtypes have differrent stories. If I change from Shadow to Guardian at level 33, what should happen to my consular archtype story? Should it be abandoned and I'm placed on Tython with the first Knight archtype quest?

There is also the problem if knowing how to play. Even within the same archtype, there are different playstyles. My Shadow likes to run up close and pound things with his saberstaff, using the ranged force abilities as a secondary power. My Sage stands back and fights from afar.
In a group environment, that could be devastating. A guy that wants to be the healer who changed from Shadow to Sage just for that but has never healed on any class in any MMORPG before and has no idea what he's doing.

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TridusSWTOR
07.28.2013 , 06:18 AM | #2452
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
If they don't like healing on their sorc then they can DPS on their sorc. AC change doesn't effect anything you talk about here, unless of course you cant decide between tank or healing. You should know that before you even roll a character.
And you are wrong. Which is quite a theme you have been providing with each post.

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TridusSWTOR
07.28.2013 , 06:22 AM | #2453
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Yes, we all know that there are players now who are not leet at playing their class and there are players who will violate "social convention" when it comes to loot rolling.

Those people exist now even without allowing class changes.

There will almost definitely be more players who do not know how to play their class because they were always ranged DPS and now they're ranged DPS.
That's why it's a poor stance to make. The problem you have with AC is already based on something that is happening right now in the game. You are now worried you'll get more of the same problem based on a guess though.

The thing is, how can you tell the difference between the noob that didn't AC change and the noob that did AC change? You can't.

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TridusSWTOR
07.28.2013 , 06:24 AM | #2454
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
At least he put the effort into leveling that sorcerer to level 55. Even if he was DPS the entire time he was leveling, he likely at least used a heal spell or two to keep himself or his companion alive, unlike the assassin who has NO heal spells and has NO experience in using them with a sorcerer.
So now someone's effort put into leveling a character is based on circumstance? That's a pretty thin argument.

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TridusSWTOR
07.28.2013 , 06:26 AM | #2455
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
That's what you got out of what I was saying?

Seems critical thinking is a little too much to ask.
I think it's been what, 6 replies now? And you still haven't added anything constructive to say, unless it's to insult people or tell them to leave.

I give you one more reply chance. If you can't respond with something constructive, I'll accept that you concede on all points in this topic.

Thanks for almost proving me right, which should change after your next post.

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ekwalizer
07.28.2013 , 09:14 AM | #2456
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Jugg... I decided that at level 45 I didn't really like tanking and I want to be a dual wielding dps class.

Sorc... I decided at level 45 that I don't like range dps and heals and I would rather tank and do melee dps.

BH.... I decided at level 45 I didn't want to tank/dps and I would rather heal/dps

IA... I decided at level 45 that I don't like range dps and I would rather melee

These are essentially the differences in class ACs. If you need to wait to lvl 45 to decide if you want to tank or heal or if you would rather melee or be ranged, then you got problems. These are the types of decisions, that you should know, before you even make your first character. In any other MMO, players know what type of class they want to play. It might be healer so they roll a cleric. It might be melee dps so they roll a rogue. It might be tank so they roll a warrior. It might be range dps so they roll a mage. These are the same choices you are making in ToR. I don't understand why it seems to be an issue here, that you feel you need to beg for a class change, but not in other MMOs.
Many of the options to play those styles are already in your example.

Your IA example points right to your BH example. The BH you reference is a PT, so you have the melee DPS that you want.

Your Sorc example points to your Jugg description. You don't want ranged dps/heal you want melee dps/tank. That is your Jugg,

Your BH example points right back to yoru Sorc description since that is already ranged dps/heal.

Your Jugg still has the option to melee dps, just with one saber. But you knew that when you selected Jugg. So, I'm sorry, "I want to dual wield" is not a legitimate reason.

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ekwalizer
07.28.2013 , 09:21 AM | #2457
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
It's just a game, dude, just a game. You play your way, let others play their way.

Such petulance is understandable in young children. Not so much in adults.
Except the part where you are advocating a change in the actual rules to accommodate the way you want to play.

NO one is trying to force you to play their way, other than BW.

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ekwalizer
07.28.2013 , 09:24 AM | #2458
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
While AC is as much a part of PvP as it is of PvE, the same reasoning applies re: AC change whether it's PvP or PvE: it's none of your business how others choose to play the game as long as they are not harassing you (and follow BWEA's other rules).

An adult recognizes that some people do not do things the way he or she does and does not insist that everyone else adhere to his or her notions of "fun."
1.) Follow the rules. You should do that.
2.) You are actively trying to insist that everyone else adhere to your notion of fun.

Hypocrite much?

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Soluss
07.28.2013 , 09:35 AM | #2459
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
Unplayable? Without your precious AC swapping the game is unplayable?

Looking at the last few pages of this thread, you have been quite the jerk really...it's almost as if you think making a snarky reply to each quote you list makes you right lol...well I am sorry, jerkish attitude apart, your comment about the game being unplayable hammers any shred of cedability you ever had imo...just another whiner who starts throwing oround outlandish nonsense when he doesnt get what he wants....no AC swap = game "unplayable" using your own word? What a complete joke

For what it's worth, BW please NEVER add AC swapping...as TridusSWTOR has alread stated in this thread, no other MMO does it....so please don't cave into this request.

Driz
This^^^
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
07.28.2013 , 09:39 AM | #2460
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Many of the options to play those styles are already in your example.

Your IA example points right to your BH example. The BH you reference is a PT, so you have the melee DPS that you want.

Your Sorc example points to your Jugg description. You don't want ranged dps/heal you want melee dps/tank. That is your Jugg,

Your BH example points right back to yoru Sorc description since that is already ranged dps/heal.

Your Jugg still has the option to melee dps, just with one saber. But you knew that when you selected Jugg. So, I'm sorry, "I want to dual wield" is not a legitimate reason.
Read the post again. I am against AC change. It was a retort to show that you can decide what class you want before you even play the game. If you cant tell if you want to heal or tank or be melee or range, before you select, then that's your problem.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."