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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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NrDLeipe
07.27.2013 , 01:37 PM | #2361
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
And you fulfill the prophesy of the slippery slope argument with your very post..

As soon as they allow it once there well be calls to lift that restriction.. Just like there are calls to lift the restriction of not being able to do it at all..

Everyone needs to learn live with the definition of permanent.. The game makes it quite clear.. If you don't like your class, then roll another character.. That is how you do it in other MMO's.. This one is no different..
your assuming its a slipery slope but you cant predict the future, and your point of you get most of your key skills at lvl 10 is just bs, its more like lvl 30

i dont want 2 change my class but im not dissapointed, if they give a 1 time option for a high amount of cc to those who made the wrong choice im fine with that
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branmakmuffin
07.27.2013 , 02:19 PM | #2362
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackSpin View Post
"I disagree" and "I oppose" are not cogent arguments, they are opinions. I'm already tired and bored of this.
Obviously not tired and bored enough to not make that reply. But apparently too tired and bored to look up the word "cogent."

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MajikMyst
07.27.2013 , 02:19 PM | #2363
Quote: Originally Posted by NrDLeipe View Post
your assuming its a slipery slope but you cant predict the future, and your point of you get most of your key skills at lvl 10 is just bs, its more like lvl 30

i dont want 2 change my class but im not dissapointed, if they give a 1 time option for a high amount of cc to those who made the wrong choice im fine with that
Actually no.. I am not assuming anything.. People are already asking for a restriction to be lifted.. That is just the start.. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that if Bioware allows it once and then calls it permanent, people will be back here asking to allow it twice or more.. I mean as it is now, they don't know what permanent means.. What makes you think they will know what it means after it is allowed once??

It isn't an assumption it is called common sense..
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branmakmuffin
07.27.2013 , 02:25 PM | #2364
Quote: Originally Posted by NrDLeipe View Post
A 1 time change should be fine for a high price of cc or something.
everybody can make a mistake with there choice, but after that 1 time no more possibilty.

its just to block the fotm, no good if theres a new fotm half the population switch to it that will take the fun out of the game imo.
And if they want more then they can always reroll a new char and put a little bit of effort in it
You say that like it means something. If, for example, Powertech became a FOTM, that wouldn't allow Marauder players to switch to Powertech. So unless "half the population" (Imperial) were playing Mercenaries, your hyperbole is just that.

And in any event, who cares? Again, it's none of your business what someone does with his or her CC or how often he or she does it. Even though you say you are OK with AC change in a limited way, that's what this is all about for you, dictating to others how to play their game;.

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MajikMyst
07.27.2013 , 02:25 PM | #2365
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Obviously not tired and bored enough to not make that reply. But apparently too tired and bored to look up the word "cogent."
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There... I looked it up and he is right.. Being opposed to or matter of opinion are not cogent arguments.. They are not based on evidence or fact..
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LordArtemis
07.27.2013 , 02:26 PM | #2366
There are passionate reasons pro and con. I don't see any reasons as irrational particularly, at least lately....most of the silly reasons posted early on have dropped away.

No, AC change will likely NOT destroy the game, though it may have some negative impact on it....and it is likely there will be more than a few folks that will be unhappy if it is implemented.

No, a lack of AC change will likely NOT destroy the game. If it had any negative impact that time has likely passed and most folks have accepted the permanent choice I would expect. But it is likely there will be some folks that will be unhappy if it is not eventually added in some way to the game.

I have expressed my personal opinions I have against AC change and will not repeat them here. I will only say that I think that if it is to come to the game I would think it would be best to limit it's use in some way, at least for now.

That way we could see what kind of impact, if any, it might have on the game.

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MajikMyst
07.27.2013 , 02:29 PM | #2367
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
You say that like it means something. If, for example, Powertech became a FOTM, that wouldn't allow Marauder players to switch to Powertech. So unless "half the population" (Imperial) were playing Mercenaries, your hyperbole is just that.

And in any event, who cares? Again, it's none of your business what someone does with his or her CC or how often he or she does it. Even though you say you are OK with AC change in a limited way, that's what this is all about for you, dictating to others how to play their game;.
Your big issue is that you don't like rules.. Well.. Life is full of rules.. So are video games.. You are the one dictating to others.. You are the one that wants to change the rules.. I fail to see why you have so much trouble observing the obvious..
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Soluss
07.27.2013 , 03:02 PM | #2368
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
I bolded the part, to where that addresses the person who is a first timer in an MMO.

Oh wait, you forgot about those guys right? Yea, it's easy since you don't honestly care about other people's situations.
I was brand new to MMOs at one point too. You know what I did? I looked at the classes and decided that I wanted to roll a wizard because I like range DPS. Rolling a warrior would not have gotten me range dps. For my second toon, I experimented with a few different classes for a few levels and decided if I liked it or not. It is no different then doing so here.
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I hate to break it to you but umm Sin DPS and Sent DPS. Yea they are different. It seems you don't actually play this game or you are new to MMO's yourself. Either way, do some research before you make yourself look bad...well too late for that I guess.
I hate to break it to you but that's a poor comparison. You are arguing for AC change. AC change will not effect the difference between Sin DPS and Sent DPS whatsoever. What you need to compare, according to your argument, is Sin tank/melee dps to Sorc heal/range dps. Sent dual wield dps vers tank or single sabre dps. That would be the comparison you are looking for. Again, if you don't know if you want to be a range or melee or heal or tank....then do what everyone else does and experiment for 10 levels.

You telling people that they are new to MMOs or new to this game is getting old. You are very childish with your comments and it appears that you are the new one here. This MMO operates no different then any other MMO. You pick your class and play it. If you don't like it then you reroll. It is you that needs to do research. If you had done so then you wouldn't need to change your AC.

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Then he finishes with comparing other MMO's into it. That's how you know they can't hold a discussion. Hey other MMO's have wizards and magic, why doesn't SWTOR have that? I mean all these MMO's got trolls and orcs too, damn we should put those in the game too!

Great logic there bud, great logic.

By great I mean horrible.
Because most MMOs are the same thing with a different skin. This is why we can compare them. Take away light sabers and insert sword. Take away lightning and insert fireball. Its all the same thing with a different theme. If you looked at the Juggernaught tank abilities, they are almost identical to WoW War abilities. Here is a picture of side by side ability comparison to prove it.... http://i.imgur.com/UmcMV.jpg. They are so identical that they might as well be the same game. Oh wait, it pretty much is because they are both the same genre. Are you new to MMOs. Get a clue.
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Soluss
07.27.2013 , 03:07 PM | #2369
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Yea they said they will probably(very likely) add this feature in the future. So, I'll let you stamp your feet until you come to terms with that.

Stop trying to tell other players how to play. It's as simple as that. You don't pay their sub, last time I checked.
Im not the one stomping my feet here. Im playing within the mechanics of the game. Im voicing my opinion that I like it that way. Until you can come to terms that some people don't agree with you then you shouldn't post.

Last time I checked, you started a topic and I shared my opinion on it. If you don't like that people have differing opinions then stay off the forums. I will voice my opinion however I want to.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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branmakmuffin
07.27.2013 , 03:09 PM | #2370
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
You telling people that they are new to MMOs or new to this game is getting old. You are very childish with your comments and it appears that you are the new one here. This MMO operates no different then any other MMO. You pick your class and play it. If you don't like it then you reroll. It is you that needs to do research. If you had done so then you wouldn't need to change your AC.
And you keep implying that because it works this way now, that means it can't ever be changed. Talk about a weak argument. I used this way back in the thread, but here it is again. This is how your argument goes:

We want to raise the speed limit on this street from 25 to 35.
You can't do that.
Why not?
Because the speed limit on this street has always been 25.

There may very well be good reasons to not change something, but "Because it's always been this way" is not one of them.