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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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MajikMyst
07.26.2013 , 10:56 PM | #2301
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
The bolded part. Thanks for openly saying it.

So you admit that even at level 45, a player can't get a full idea of what he's dealing with, yet you want them to redo everything back to level 1 on a different AC, based on a gamble that they may or may not like the class. That's just pointless.
What?? Dude?? Not having all of your skills does not equal knowing how a character plays.. In fact every AC plays exactly the same at level 10 (Or when you first choose your AC.) than they do at level 55.. The only difference is more skills.. A Sentinel doesn't suddenly stop swinging dual lightsabers and being mele DPS.. A Sentinel is a dual wielding mele DPS from level 10 all the way to 55.. They just get more skills..

To make the claim that you don't know how your character plays at level 45 is really not true.. How can you not know?? The play style for your class doesn't change..

If someone suddenly decides they don't like a character at level 45, then that is their problem.. They have already invested a lot of hours getting to level 45.. I would have to ask what took them so long.. I knew I hated both the commando and Vanguard from the very beginning.. The commando for me was at least tolerable.. I leveled one to 41 or 42 just to get through Chapter 2 and get the buff.. That was over 6 months ago.. He is still sitting on Hoth.. (I only did the class quests on Hoth..)

Over all your argument is moot.. I seriously doubt someone has to get to level 45 before they decide they don't like a character.. The skills a player gets doesn't change play style or game play.. Some skills are even determined by spec.. A Gunslinger at level 10 is hiding behind a shield and shooting two blasters.. Gunslingers at 55 are hiding behind a shield and shooting two blasters.. What is the difference??
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Kneemo
07.26.2013 , 11:41 PM | #2302
Quote: Originally Posted by Hockaday View Post
lol...I have to stop you there. If you take a moment to -read- the description of your AC, it plainly tells you what you'll be getting. If anything, what you'd need to ask for (if you stick with this poor argument) is a base class change. If someone makes a Sin, and at 45 they decide they don't like it...well, they certainly won't want a Sorc...or they would have picked it. They wanted a melee toon.

Not to mention, the abundance of information on these forums about classes. Really no excuse for ignorance. Other MMOs don't have the luxury of the great forums like these.

But really, you know what you're getting at level 10. Leveling to 45 may give you even more of an idea, but not much more. If it took you 35 levels to realise you won't like a class, something is wrong.
i didn't pick my assassin because he was melee. i chose him because of the mix of sweet lightning moves and saber attacks. however, the latter is more prevalent and i'd rather have a sorc so i can use lightning all the time. for some people it's about having fun and not about whether a class is melee or ranged.
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Soluss
07.27.2013 , 02:30 AM | #2303
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Yes because you get all abilities at level 11, and you can get a full grasp on how your class will play out on the way to level 55. Oh wait...you don't.

Instead you level to 45 to get the full feel of your class and now you find you don't really enjoy it. So you want to switch but oh wait! Some people that don't pay your sub don't want you to switch. Because at level 45, you will affect their game play for some reason, they have yet to explain.

Makes total sense.
Jugg... I decided that at level 45 I didn't really like tanking and I want to be a dual wielding dps class.

Sorc... I decided at level 45 that I don't like range dps and heals and I would rather tank and do melee dps.

BH.... I decided at level 45 I didn't want to tank/dps and I would rather heal/dps

IA... I decided at level 45 that I don't like range dps and I would rather melee

These are essentially the differences in class ACs. If you need to wait to lvl 45 to decide if you want to tank or heal or if you would rather melee or be ranged, then you got problems. These are the types of decisions, that you should know, before you even make your first character. In any other MMO, players know what type of class they want to play. It might be healer so they roll a cleric. It might be melee dps so they roll a rogue. It might be tank so they roll a warrior. It might be range dps so they roll a mage. These are the same choices you are making in ToR. I don't understand why it seems to be an issue here, that you feel you need to beg for a class change, but not in other MMOs.
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Soluss
07.27.2013 , 02:40 AM | #2304
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
So you get all abilities and know an AC rotations and limitations at level 1. Makes total sense

So you assume because you know these things, a new player should know them as well. Otherwise they are lazy and should be punished according to you. Wow you are great for business.

Bioware the choice is clear, you can see just from this post alone, that he doesn't want to welcome new players. Unlike myself, I want to breed a healthy gaming community that welcomes new players. I provide choice, while this poster provides tantrums and insults.

It's sad that I had to explain so much to a so called "MMO vet".
You don't in any other MMO either. If you were playing WoW or EQ2 or Lotro ...etc.... what do you do when you roll a mage and decide you want to heal instead? Oh that's right, you go reroll... you don't sit on the forums and demand to be able to change your class.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
07.27.2013 , 02:45 AM | #2305
Quote: Originally Posted by Kneemo View Post
i didn't pick my assassin because he was melee. i chose him because of the mix of sweet lightning moves and saber attacks. however, the latter is more prevalent and i'd rather have a sorc so i can use lightning all the time. for some people it's about having fun and not about whether a class is melee or ranged.
That should have been obvious to you before you even rolled the character.
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Ratajack
07.27.2013 , 04:17 AM | #2306
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Yes because you get all abilities at level 11, and you can get a full grasp on how your class will play out on the way to level 55. Oh wait...you don't.

Instead you level to 45 to get the full feel of your class and now you find you don't really enjoy it. So you want to switch but oh wait! Some people that don't pay your sub don't want you to switch. Because at level 45, you will affect their game play for some reason, they have yet to explain.

Makes total sense.
Those people would be BW (you know, the ones who SET THE RULES), not t he players. There are many players who do not want to see this rule changes, but those players did not set the rules.

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Ratajack
07.27.2013 , 04:22 AM | #2307
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
So when a person levels to 45 and finds out they don't like their class. Due to bioware not letting them fully realize what they are getting into until level 45, it's them being lazy? Oh lord
So, when a player of WOW levels to 70 and finds out that they don't like their class due to not Blizzard not fully letting them realize what they are getting into until level 70, they can just change their class. Oh, that's right, they can't. If they want to play another class, they have to reroll.

That would be the same in the game. BW set the rules, not the players.

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Hockaday
07.27.2013 , 04:57 AM | #2308
Quote: Originally Posted by Kneemo View Post
i didn't pick my assassin because he was melee. i chose him because of the mix of sweet lightning moves and saber attacks. however, the latter is more prevalent and i'd rather have a sorc so i can use lightning all the time. for some people it's about having fun and not about whether a class is melee or ranged.
The majority of assassin attacks are lightning if you're a tank. Even if you're not, you do have some nice lightning. But still.
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branmakmuffin
07.27.2013 , 08:11 AM | #2309
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
You are trying th change game mechanics that are healthy for a playerbase to be knowledgeable about their classes and its playstyle.
AC change (or not) has nothing to do with a player base's "health."

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You are suggesting bioware nickle and dime us even more
No one is nickel-and-dimed except to the extent they choose.

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You are suggesting that people be lazy and get whatever they want if they demand it enough.
Does the phrase "Mind your own business" mean anything to you?

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I demand Kell Dragon armor in the mailbox through no effort.
You can pay CC for it. Just like AC change, if it were ever introduced, would cost CC.

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I demand a flying whale mount from alderan.
Free-ranging, high-flying mounts are not compatible with the game's mechanics, pereumably.

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I demand to play as jar jar binks.
If they introduce his race into the game, go for it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
If you need to wait to lvl 45 to decide if you want to tank or heal or if you would rather melee or be ranged, then you got problems.
Possibly, but such "problems" could hardly be more inconsequential. I can say it again if it will help: It's a game and it's none of your business how another person plays as long as he or she is not breaking BWEA's rules.

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BlackSpin
07.27.2013 , 08:45 AM | #2310
It is others' business... getting stuff for nothing effects other players. God, this generation of MMO players have been handed everything on a silver platter. There used to be uniqueness in MMO games, and a sense of accomplishment. "Dude, look that guy has that ****** sword, title, rank..." ...whatever. It keeps people playing and striving for the hard to obtain. You want to play a different AC, make another character. You want to get top end gear, earn it. You want that ****** title, you better do something great to get it... These days you do 2 warzones and get a battlemaster title - which doesn't make you too much of a battle "master." All I'm saying is accomplishments don't mean anything anymore... they should.

Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
AC change (or not) has nothing to do with a player base's "health."


No one is nickel-and-dimed except to the extent they choose.


Does the phrase "Mind your own business" mean anything to you?


You can pay CC for it. Just like AC change, if it were ever introduced, would cost CC.


Free-ranging, high-flying mounts are not compatible with the game's mechanics, pereumably.


If they introduce his race into the game, go for it.


Possibly, but such "problems" could hardly be more inconsequential. I can say it again if it will help: It's a game and it's none of your business how another person plays as long as he or she is not breaking BWEA's rules.