ETA on Advanced Class change?

Healthy game mechanics are more important then someone who feels entitled and wants things through no effort fo their own.

Yes, positive changes are made to improve gameplay. Will this change acheive this goal? NO.

I might have played mmo's longer then you have been alive, who knows. Its clear you havent thought out the implications of what you suggest.

Im not making assumptions, Im trying to extract intentions or motivations from your poorly supported opinions. Its called discussion, where people share ideas and try to understand the others stance.

So what I'm suggesting is being forced upon you? Last time I checked, every pro-AC change supporter wanted it to be a CHOICE. You know, you could say yes or no, unlike you whom only provides a "no" option.

Answer me this, because this will be amusing.

When a level 45 player changes AC. How many people do they affect?

When a player gets NiM TFB/SnV armor that requires multiple people, how many people does it affect?

Oh lord, this should be amusing. Good job falling on your own sword.

I would argue that the real flavor of the class is OBVIOUS at level 1....if you play mmo's that is. Since you seem to think ive never played these, allow me to help you.

4 main specifcatons.

Tank, Healer, Melee dps, Range dps.

So you get all abilities and know an AC rotations and limitations at level 1. Makes total sense

So you assume because you know these things, a new player should know them as well. Otherwise they are lazy and should be punished according to you. Wow you are great for business.

Bioware the choice is clear, you can see just from this post alone, that he doesn't want to welcome new players. Unlike myself, I want to breed a healthy gaming community that welcomes new players. I provide choice, while this poster provides tantrums and insults.

It's sad that I had to explain so much to a so called "MMO vet".

When a level 45 player changes AC. How many people do they affect? All players they group with that have to deal with someone who clearly has never played their class before. Also, assumeing the player will want to optimize their gear, they could potentially have to need on gear that other players could use?


When a player gets NiM TFB/SnV armor that requires multiple people, how many people does it affect? Anyone they play with in the future gets to be carried through content since this player will outgear and make the content easier.

Do you not understand cause and effect?

I love new players and help them on many occasions. What i dont appreciate is pegging holes in the dam, cause one day all those little holes with make a diffrence.

You arent even granted all the abilities at 45 since RotHC. Since you are ignoreing this fact ill do so as well.

I want choice, but i dont want CC cost or penalties accosiated. Bioware deserves no money for systems that operate in game with no actual human oversight.

Oh so the 3 other people they group with should enforce their own beliefs and rules on one player now? Wow that really inspires a healthy game, something you said you wanted.

Hey everyone, you aren't allowed to make decisions with your character anymore. Instead you will be judged by the rest of the community and you will play according to what they want.

I love how an AC change will have this huge affect on people, but a field respec? Nope it's fine, nothing to see here. Good job cherry picking. Furthermore, you still having proved that AC change affects others. What if the level 45 solo's all the time? Oh wow, with one sentence I just threw you're entire argument out the window.

Now back to the operation- Glad you admit that what you want DOES affect other people. Since you openly said they need to be "carried" hence meaning it requires multiple people. Thanks for pretty much debunking yourself.

The bolded part. Thanks for openly saying it.

So you admit that even at level 45, a player can't get a full idea of what he's dealing with, yet you want them to redo everything back to level 1 on a different AC, based on a gamble that they may or may not like the class. That's just pointless.

I do agree with you that I hate so much stuff being on the CC. The fact of the matter is, CC is there "go-to" thing from here on out. Their investors are happy as hell at the profits gained by the CC market, they are gonna keep using it for better or worse. I was hoping they would throw subs a bone with the race change, but nope. From here on out, whether you want to accept it or not, most ideas are gonna find there way to the CC market.

That's why I use the high CC/high credit cost as my list of restrictions and that's why I only want to limit 2 changes per character. They switch once, since they leveled up one AC and didn't like it. Now the second AC change comes along and it's a big choice, they got a feel for both AC's now, so whatever they pick, it's on them and nobody else.

While we both are on the same side of this issue, I'm not "throwing in" with him, but at the same time, I feel obligated to bring light to what I find to be an obviously "less than completely honest" representation of his post.

So when a person levels to 45 and finds out they don't like their class. Due to bioware not letting them fully realize what they are getting into until level 45, it's them being lazy? Oh lord