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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Vhaegrant
07.26.2013 , 06:30 PM | #2261
Quote: Originally Posted by Basreia View Post
I see nothing but arguments back and forth with nothing but boasting about one's ability and immature ranting. If you want to feel my thoughts on it. Look at my post in this thread

Other than that. Please stop the childish bickering, immature yelling and starting crying matches. This is a discussion thread not a angry forums thread
Hear, hear

I'm off to bed and away for the weekend. Try not to get the thread locked while I'm gone

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branmakmuffin
07.26.2013 , 06:39 PM | #2262
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
"But you already let me change from Merc to PowerTech, why can't I change from PowerTech to Juggernaut? They both are tanks/melee DPS and they both wear heavy armor, I don't have time to level a new toon and who are you to tell me how to play the game I pay for?"
Slippery slope is a logically fallacious argument. The situation you spin is wholly inapt to the discussion because Juggernaut and Powertech are not part of the same basic class and so do not share the same story and companions. To change from one to the other would be as big a deal as gender change or faction change. Changing from Powertech to Mercenary of the same gender does not impact the storyline whatsoever. Not that that settles matter, but it does illustrate the ridiculousness of the slippery slope argument.

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ekwalizer
07.26.2013 , 06:39 PM | #2263
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
Okay, I was more commenting on the fact that you dismissed the Slippery Slope Fallacy out of hand rather than the degree to which it applies.

Wanting to change your AC for many is just an aspect of their character's class.
Class > Advanced Class > Skill tree Specialisation
This progression suggests that it should be less convenient to change than a skill tree but not impossible.

This level of change would be the end of it, the point at which I'd say that's enough choice for a player to be getting on with. Besides which it has already been mentioned that the programming behind a Class change would be significantly harder due to the way data is tracked through story progression.
The problem is it would not be the end of it, but just the beginning.

Your Story is not your Class. Your story begins with a prelude.

Your class is what you selectas your class from your story options once you arrive at the fleet. Remove the word "Advanced" and it becomes less confusing.

Whwn you look at your character sheet, it says
<Mercenary>

Not

<Bounty Hunter Mercenary>

Frankly I don't buy into the time-sink argument that people throw around either. "I don't have time to XYZ". That is nonsense. If it is a priority for you you will make time for it. Last summer I was working 12hours/day 7days/week as an overseas defense contractor and still was able to level 3 toons in three months. In real life I have a wife, 2 kids and a full time job. Playing only 2 hours a night I can still level a toon in a month.

4 times people are told that it is PERMANENT. If you don't like your AC reroll. I have several toons that I don't care for their ACs playstyle. I rerolled and was max level much shorter than the duration of this thread.

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ekwalizer
07.26.2013 , 06:41 PM | #2264
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Slippery slope is a logically fallacious argument. The situation you spin is wholly inapt to the discussion because Juggernaut and Powertech are not part of the same basic class and so do not share the same story and companions. To change from one to the other would be as big a deal as gender change or faction change. Changing from Powertech to Mercenary of the same gender does not impact the storyline whatsoever. Not that that settles matter, but it does illustrate the ridiculousness of the slippery slope argument.
Once again, Bounty Hunter is NOT a class. It is a STORY.

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Ratajack
07.26.2013 , 06:47 PM | #2265
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
I'm advocating for a potential increase in a players choice without going all the way of asking for class changes, Bioware have made continuous modifications to classes as the game has matured including the addition of new content that allows for other aspects considered permanent at character creation to be changed. All I am asking for is for such a change to be considered. At no point would I force you to use the feature.
Allowing cosmetic appearance changes is a far cry from allowing class changes.

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astrobearx
07.26.2013 , 06:53 PM | #2266
Quote: Originally Posted by Basreia View Post
I see nothing but arguments back and forth with nothing but boasting about one's ability and immature ranting. If you want to feel my thoughts on it. Look at my post in this thread

Other than that. Please stop the childish bickering, immature yelling and starting crying matches. This is a discussion thread not a angry forums thread
indeed

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Ratajack
07.26.2013 , 06:53 PM | #2267
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
Okay, I was more commenting on the fact that you dismissed the Slippery Slope Fallacy out of hand rather than the degree to which it applies.

Wanting to change your AC for many is just an aspect of their character's class.
Class > Advanced Class > Skill tree Specialisation
This progression suggests that it should be less convenient to change than a skill tree but not impossible.

This level of change would be the end of it, the point at which I'd say that's enough choice for a player to be getting on with. Besides which it has already been mentioned that the programming behind a Class change would be significantly harder due to the way data is tracked through story progression.
The fact that many see AC as just an aspect of their character's class does not negate the devs statement that AC's are FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS DESIGNS. Do those who choose not to accept that your AC IS your class know better than the devs?

A class change is a class change, whether that be from a juggernaut to a marauder or from a mercenary to a marauder. If you are going to argue for something as controversial as a class change, shouldn't that be "across the board"?

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branmakmuffin
07.26.2013 , 06:59 PM | #2268
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Once again, Bounty Hunter is NOT a class. It is a STORY.
So when you roll a Bounty Hunter character, what is your character's class? The " " class?

Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
The problem is it would not be the end of it, but just the beginning.
More slippery slopery.

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4 times people are told that it is PERMANENT.
Yes, it is permanent as the game is now. Are you saying it cannot ever be changed?

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Ratajack
07.26.2013 , 07:14 PM | #2269
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
So when you roll a Bounty Hunter character, what is your character's class? The " " class?


More slippery slopery.


Yes, it is permanent as the game is now. Are you saying it cannot ever be changed?
No, I'm not saying that it can "never" be changed, but I'm wondering why so may people cannot understand the concept of "PERMANENT" and feel that the rules shouldn't apply to them or should be changed to suit them.

As I said earlier, if I bought a new car and decided after 10,000 miles I didn't like it, do I get to take it back to the dealer, hand them the car I no longer liked and just get a new one? No, I would have to BUY a new one, much like those who want a new class need to actually level that new class according to the rules set by the devs and which are still in place.

Here's more slippery slope for you. Even if you put restrictions on class changes, these forums will be full of people asking, begging, clamoring, demanding (whatever term you want to use) for those restrictions to be changed and loosened or even lifted. If you want proof, just look at this thread. The game already has restrictions on class changes. Those restrictions are "You cannot do it", yet we've had countless threads asking for this restriction to changed or lifted, including this 220+ page thread.

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Ratajack
07.26.2013 , 07:17 PM | #2270
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
So when you roll a Bounty Hunter character, what is your character's class? The " " class?
When you choose the bounty hunter story, your class is listed as bounty hunter until you chose your ACTUAL CLASS (AC) at which point if you check your character page, your class is either powertech or mercenary. Doing a /who, checking your guild roster or targeting yourself will also show your class as powertech or mercenary, not "bounty hunter-powertech" or "bounty hunter-mercenary".