ETA on Advanced Class change?

No class(AC) has access to all three roles. As for snipers/gunslingers and marauders/sentinels being pure DPS, this information was readily available at the time the class(AC) was selected, and the player CHOSE a class that was pure DPS, knowing that this was a PERMANENT choice. In fact, the roles of each of the AC's are available to see when creating the character, as well. I do admit, though, that may not have been the case originally. I had done the research and knew what basic class I wanted to play and which class I was going to choose when I reached that level.

Given the availability of information regarding class roles and the repeated warnings that the choice was permanent, I see no reason to allow class changes, even for "flexibility".

I thought that statement had been made in February of 2012, not November, so I will stand corrected on the timing. That said, however, how is this quote anything BUT ambiguous?


Quote: Originally Posted by Damion Schubert from Dulfy.net November 16th 2012
We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change option – I think that one will likely happen eventually.


"likely happen eventually" is not definitive by any means. There is no definite statement that it WILL happen, nor is there any indication of a time frame. "Eventually" could be tomorrow, next month or ten years from now, and that's if it even happens, since "likely" does not mean "will".

And here we continue to split semantic hairs.
'Likely' by definition just means 'probable - plausible - feasible - apt - fit - possible'.
At no point did I state that an AC change function was definite, imminent or even in the pipeline. Just that it had been discussed by the developers and was a future possibility. To me an ambiguous statement would be one that didn't make direct mention of any discussions of the possibility of an AC change or if it would ever indeed happen.
I'm really not that interested in a time frame, I think sooner would be better than later to appeal to any players on the fence about coming back or resurrect interest in a character put to one side.

At this point in the discussion I'm more interested in understanding why a faction of players are so offended by the option and what sort of game balance/ exploits issues need to be resolved.

Is this a serious question? If it is, get a clue. and check torparse. There's no doubt that slingers/snipers and sents/marauders are the highest dps classes. There are exceptions to this, but ON AVERAGE, these classes do more dps.

As for the guy who told me not to worry about how others play the game, you really ought to rethink that statement. if we go by your way of thinking, If you managed to get the mount from S&V NiM, and I want the devs to just give it to me, you can just stay the hell out of it, since how I play the game is not up to you at all.

Fact of the matter is, some things should be earned. this included max level characters.

There is no effort in a video game. Challenge...no effort. You spend next to nothing in energy and calories to play a video game.

So you could say "take the challenge" but not "put forth the effort" since there is zero effort required from both choices.

You have never played chess have you?? Not all effort is physical.. Challenge does not equate to physical effort..

Leveling a new character does require effort and can be a challenge for some.. Hence this thread.. It requires timing, memory, and eye hand coordination.. All of which takes effort to use..

Spending energy and burning calories are not required for doing something that is challenging or requires effort..

The biggest reason in a nut shell is that it changes the game.. It turns it into something that is yet more easy than it is now.. For some that is all people care about.. They want dual spec'ing, the want AC swapping, they want legacy datacrons.. When does it end?? When the game no longer requires play??

The argument for datacrons is such that it can also be used for leveling characters.. Yes, that has already come up.. Some people want legacy 50's or now 55's.. They don't want to level any more because they are bored with it..

Class changing was always an unwritten rule that was never violated.. You chose your class at the beginning of play and if wanted a new class you had to create another character.. So people are just claiming that the AC is not a class.. Without any backing in fact or logic they are making this claim so that they are NOT asking for a class change.. Like this really fools anyone.. During the Beta, Bioware stated that the AC was in fact our class.. They is how they see them and how they treat them.. What others think on that issue is irrelevant..

Bioware also stated that they didn't want any one character having access to both tanking and healing.. A lesson they learned from WOW.. The 2 most popular characters were Paladins and Druids.. Why?? They could both tank and heal..

Also AC swapping isn't fair or equal for all classes.. What is in it for a Guardian tank?? He already has one of the top DPS spec's, not to mention a good tank.. Why change to a Sentinel?? Why would a Scoundrel change to a gunslinger??

There really is no argument here.. There is simply no reason except for laziness to desire the things mentioned above.. If someone is to lazy to get the datacrons, roll a new AC, live with the slight inconvenience of entering your spec, then why play the game?? The entire point of playing the game is to play it.. Not sit back and demand that everything it done for you.. The point of having an alt is to level that alt.. To progress it like a separate character.. Legacy was never designed to be a reason or an excuse not to play the game..

It is always ignored but I will always say it because it is something nobody can argue with.. The game says in 4 separate areas that your choice of AC is permanent.. 2 are from text and 2 are from conversation.. That is Bioware talking.. The Jolly Green Giant didn't put that part in the game.. Bioware did.. It directly addresses the question of this thread.. Like I said.. Always ignored.. Either that or people are really dysfunctional when it comes to words like permanent..

I really wish the easy mode dressed in the letters (QOL) people would stop being lazy and just play the game.. How about we look for things that would actually make the game better.. Like Pazaak.. More content.. More events.. AC swapping goes against everything that Bioware has stated previously..

Chess is not a video game.

There MIGHT be a few rare exceptions where actual effort is required. Challenge, sure, as I indicated. Hence my point.

Timing? Memory? eye hand coordination? Sure, if your using a gamepad. Playing a video game requires the same amount of effort as having a bowel movement.

Pretending it takes effort to play a video game is like pretending it takes effort to breath. Is it tough for some folks...sure...but for most it is just BREATHING.

If you can lay back in the chair, post your digits AWSD close to your num keys and grab your mouse...you can play an MMO.

Football takes effort. Soccer takes effort....heck, even checkers takes more effort than a video game.

Video games present a mild mental challenge. Even less so for MMOs. EVEN LESS SO FOR SWTOR.

I was also under the impression that we had agreed not to discuss anything with each other since our little "incident".....or perhaps you forgot about that.

Both of these points have been covered multiple times in this thread. If you don't agree with the reasons why many are adamantly against allowing class changes stating those reasons again now would not change your mind.

Actually it is.. Shows you what you know.. I played chess when I was a teenager in the 80's on an old TI/99-4A computer.. You could use the keyboard or a joystick to move the hand to pick up and move the pieces.. Chess can be played on your computer just like Monopoly and many other classic board games..

Regardless, my point stands.. Effort does not require physical action.. The fact that you think it does shows that you should have put more effort into your studies on science..

Piloting an aircraft today is little more than playing a videogame.. Everything is fly by wire and computer assisted now.. But don't tell a pilot that what they do does not require effort.. They will just laugh at you.. This is just such a simple concept.. What about the people that pilot the UAV's?? Isn't that just a video game?? If you say that takes no effort then I will laugh at you..

Many college classes are taught online now.. All the assignments are done online, the study material is online.. Are you actually claiming that doing a homework assignment online takes no effort?? You use the same physical activity needed to play SWTOR..

I could go on here.. But I hope you are smart enough to see how simple this is.. You aren't going to win this one.. Effort is not defined by physical activity or calories burned..

As for the rest of your remarks.. Well.. I hope you wipe when you are finished.. Or would that require to much effort for you??