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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Ratajack
06.28.2013 , 12:24 PM | #1961
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I would also add what I would like to see happen with respect to AC.

1) Bioware would come out and publicly state, in no uncertain terms, that AC IS YOUR CLASS.

2) Make AC choice mandatory at level 10, move all abilities under the AC heading in the abilities pane and remove the base class header, move all trainable abilities from that point forward under the AC header on the trainer.

3) Remove all references in the game to your base class that can be removed once you choose your AC.

4) Add a small quest line at max level that is AC specific, where they refer to your AC directly.



IMO this would make the choice more meaningful.
We've asked for this, or at least some sort of statement from the devs regarding whether or not AC's are different classes, multiple times in this thread, and almost 200 pages into this thread and NOT one peep from the devs. What does that say to you?

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LordArtemis
06.28.2013 , 12:27 PM | #1962
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
We've asked for this, or at least some sort of statement from the devs regarding whether or not AC's are different classes, multiple times in this thread, and almost 200 pages into this thread and NOT one peep from the devs. What does that say to you?
It says nothing to me, much like the hundreds of other threads that the devs have never commented in. When and if they have something to say in the matter they will post their thoughts.

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profhermit
07.02.2013 , 09:02 PM | #1963
It is amusing how many people hate on something they won't utilize, and don't want others to have the option.

I want to see this feature added, strictly as a one time offering. I leveled two up alts, a scoundrel & vanguard, and dislike both classes. At max level I experimented with different skill trees and still do not like anything about either class.

I keep them because the crafting skills are maxed out on both. I have a considerable amount of time / creds / mats invested in REing for purple schems. Anyone who crafts can relate to this.

I grind dailies with my Gunslinger then mail credits to alts. The alts spend creds on companion missions to get mats.

Having a one time option to switch classes would enable me to run daily's with classes I enjoy, to get creds and gather mats to lower cost of crafting.

Hate on this option all ya want. I will use it, TWICE.

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LordArtemis
07.02.2013 , 09:49 PM | #1964
Quote: Originally Posted by profhermit View Post
It is amusing how many people hate on something they won't utilize, and don't want others to have the option.

I want to see this feature added, strictly as a one time offering. I leveled two up alts, a scoundrel & vanguard, and dislike both classes. At max level I experimented with different skill trees and still do not like anything about either class.

I keep them because the crafting skills are maxed out on both. I have a considerable amount of time / creds / mats invested in REing for purple schems. Anyone who crafts can relate to this.

I grind dailies with my Gunslinger then mail credits to alts. The alts spend creds on companion missions to get mats.

Having a one time option to switch classes would enable me to run daily's with classes I enjoy, to get creds and gather mats to lower cost of crafting.

Hate on this option all ya want. I will use it, TWICE.
This does seem to be the most common reason folks would want to switch. Do you think it is unreasonable to ask folks to unlock the alternate AC you wish to switch to through legacy?

In other words you would have to have a max level character in that AC before you could switch a current character to that AC.

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Vhaegrant
07.02.2013 , 09:58 PM | #1965
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
This does seem to be the most common reason folks would want to switch. Do you think it is unreasonable to ask folks to unlock the alternate AC you wish to switch to through legacy?

In other words you would have to have a max level character in that AC before you could switch a current character to that AC.
I think the biggest reason folks would want to switch is to experience the other AC of a class without having to level another character all the way, with the option to revert back if they are still unsatisfied.

This feeds into the same vein of 'Hardcore, you have to earn everything with time spent at the keyboard' versus 'Casual, hey I only have so many hours in the day to play'.

So the only way that would allow you to switch a character you've played for 48 hours is if you pour 96 hours into the class you want to change over to. Which I still feel is kind of defeating the purpose of a proposed AC change.

Now I can understand wanting to limit the place a character can change AC (not in active WZs/ OPs), how often (once a week), and even place a price on it (cartel coins and/or credits). These steps all help to limit the amount of AC swapping that is likely to occur, but still allows gamers the chance to resurrect interest in a character they no longer enjoy playing without having to step back to square one.

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Ratajack
07.02.2013 , 10:00 PM | #1966
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
I think the biggest reason folks would want to switch is to experience the other AC of a class without having to level another character all the way.

This feeds into the same vein of 'Hardcore, you have to earn everything with time spent at the keyboard' versus 'Casual, hey I only have so many hours in the day to play'.

So the only way that would allow you to switch a character you've played for 48 hours is if you pour 96 hours into the class you want to change over to. Which I still feel is kind of defeating the purpose of a proposed AC change.

Now I can understand wanting to limit the place a character can change AC (not in active WZs/ OPs), how often (once a week), and even place a price on it (cartel coins and/or credits). These steps all help to limit the amount of AC swapping that is likely to occur, but still allows gamers the chance to resurrect interest in a character they no longer enjoy playing without having to step back to square one.
So, you made a PERMANENT choice, one that you KNEW was PERMANENT and now want it not to be permanent because it no longer suits you?

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Vhaegrant
07.02.2013 , 10:06 PM | #1967
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
So, you made a PERMANENT choice, one that you KNEW was PERMANENT and now want it not to be permanent because it no longer suits you?
I think you're finally getting it

But then I approach the game with more focus on story aspects than pure raw game mechanics. It makes less sense to me to have a species change than it does to be allowed to switch to the other Advanced Class.

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BounceDK
07.02.2013 , 11:10 PM | #1968
Will swap commando for vanguard.

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LordArtemis
07.02.2013 , 11:26 PM | #1969
Species and appearance was permanent and I knew it was permanent. It is no longer permanent.

Bioware decided to make species and appearance permanent because, according to their words (as has been posted more than once in this thread) ".....we felt that you should feel invested in your character, your choice should have meaning".

It is no longer permanent.

The argument that the prior dev staff made it a permanent choice is a moot point. If anything can be gleaned by the recent changes to the game, it is likely everything is on the table.

Not to mention a dev specifically stated this was likely..."We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change option – I think that one will likely happen eventually.", also posted many times in the thread.

The writing is on the wall. Like it or not it may be coming soon.

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MajikMyst
07.03.2013 , 01:44 AM | #1970
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Species and appearance was permanent and I knew it was permanent. It is no longer permanent.

Bioware decided to make species and appearance permanent because, according to their words (as has been posted more than once in this thread) ".....we felt that you should feel invested in your character, your choice should have meaning".

It is no longer permanent.

The argument that the prior dev staff made it a permanent choice is a moot point. If anything can be gleaned by the recent changes to the game, it is likely everything is on the table.

Not to mention a dev specifically stated this was likely..."We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change option – I think that one will likely happen eventually.", also posted many times in the thread.

The writing is on the wall. Like it or not it may be coming soon.
First of all.. The idea of changing a characters appearance is not new and it is in many other games.. Ever heard of a Barber shop?? WOW has one.. Most MMO's do.. So your first argument is largely irrelevant as usual..

The second is a soft 'No' which they have been using for over a year now.. Eventually in this case means never... It is the closest thing they will come to actually saying no, without actually saying no.. Because they are not stupid.. If they actually said straight 'No'.. They know the morons will come unglued with threads and more stupid petitions in attempt to change their mind.. So the best thing is to keep people in limbo or in the dark as to what the truth is.. All gaming publishers use this tactic.. Oddly enough however.. Some of the folks in this forum don't seem to get it..

What is it they don't get?? Played the game latetly?? As you and everyone like you continue to do is ignore that which is right in front of you.. The game.. The game says it is a permanent choice.. Case closed..

So like it or not.. You will never see it.. And you call yourself neutral?? Another lie perhaps?? I have better things to do than sit here and attempt intelligent conversations with people who simply seem to lack intelligence.. I mean, how stupid do you have to be to try and compare something it is cosmetic and something that isn't cosmetic?? Well??? Changing your race is cosmetic and meaningless.. Changing your class is something totally different and it isn't meaningless.. Which is why no other MMO has done it.. SWTOR is doubtful to be the first.. It doesn't benefit Bioware at all.. Another issue that you love to ignore..

I am leaving tomorrow on another fishing trip.. Some of us have better things to do than to lie about people or accuse them of editing a post because you can't argue with right..
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