ETA on Advanced Class change?

What do you have against writing an accurate post?? I haven't insulted anyone... Good luck finding a quote..

There is nothing wrong with accusing you of being pro AC.. Get over it..

I never change a person's quote except to either delete a portion or just -snip- .. Again.. Good luck proving otherwise..

I demean respected members of the community?? Like who?? You?? You would have to be honest to be respected.. As for demeaning anyone?? Again.. Good luck proving that...

So I ask again. Can you write a post that is true??

I do think it is funny that you think it is some crime to accuse you of being pro AC.. Especially since that is what your attitude says... At least I make accusations with some validity.. You on the other hand??

As for a change in my behavior?? Don't count on it.. You are the one throwing a tantrum.. Oh my god someone accused me of being pro AC.. Whatever will I do?? I tried to be civil with you repaid me by acting like a jerk.. You walk around this forum like you are some gods gift to forums.. You paste the same crap over and over again.. You ignore everyone around you that bothers to even respond to you.. Which many don't because I am sure they know better.. Which I now know better.. I didn't start this.. I just called like I saw it and you freaked out.. The fact that being called pro AC bothers you enough that you would make a stink about speaks volumes.. At least we know you aren't entirely honest when you write a post..

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You get what you give. Bad in, bad out.

I don't think it's a crime. I think it's a symptom of a lack of self respect. Only someone who is bound and determined to look foolish continues to post the same fallacious contentions over and over again after being proved wrong by more than one community member.

I'll let your inescapable post history speak for itself. You can't edit them all.

I'm going to unthink about this for a while. In the mean time...get those eyes checked. They keep rolling around.

My original Anti AC change points and Jeweledleah's rebuttal.

First my post.

Then Jeweldleah's rebuttal.

Does anyone else agree with Jeweldleah's contentions here?

There is nothing to edit and you are right.. It will speak for itself.. I have a wonderful amount of self respect.. It is lack of respect for you that is the issue.. And your posts also speaks for themselves..

The only question you ever answered was the orange dot one, and even that took multiple posts to get a response to..

All the rest you pretty much ignored.. You called one unfair or unrealistic, but refused to qualify that statement.. Again as normal for you.. This is why I said you were pro AC.. You don't want to have the discussion.. You don't want to look at someone else's views or logic.. You will sure talk about all kinds of different suggestions.. You made a list of them.. And then a half baked list of cons which really said nothing.. Like I said.. I call it like I see it..

I don't think Ill be needing your respect today Majik.

Shenanigans.

Shenanigans Shenanigans..

Well said

The numbers game is a tough argument to make.. This game is about money.. Not how many people you can get to jump off the bridge.. There are tons of other examples where a lot of people doing something doesn't make it right.. This is one of those cases.. There is a lot wrong with the idea of AC swapping..

This seems to be a restatement of number 1.. No change isn't a bad thing.. But some change is.. Ignoring the fact that change can be a bad thing is poor decision making.. Bioware needs to look at how this will play out on their bottom line.. Will it make them money or cost them money?? We as players should look at it that way as well..

For the most part I agree with this.. I fail to see how it is a reason for AC swapping.. The same can be accomplished by rolling another character.. Most people I am sure have alts.. I have 8 toons.. Plenty of choices if one class is given the nerf bat..

What restrictions are you proposing?? There are already restrictions on AC swapping.. Why should that change?? I haven't seen much on the issue of why.. They have been saying a soft no for over a year now.. In fact bioware says a soft no about anything.. Chat bubbles, player housing, guild ships, you name it.. They have always reserved their right to change their mind.. Which is a soft no.. Nothing has changed.. The game says a lot though.. Nobody wants to take that into consideration..

No offense, but your views are largely irrelevant.. As are mine.. Bioware has stated that the AC is considered our class.. That is all you need to know.. So what you feel it is or what you feel it is tied to is not relevant.. Bioware has already stated that it considers our AC to be our class.. The game says it is a one time choice.. Your AC is permanent.. Again, nobody wants to discuss that..

How about we just deal with the reasons it should be done at all.. I really don't see the point in discussion something that most likely will never happen.. Besides.. I still haven't seen you address the why fully or take into consideration the game and what it says..

What can get worse?? The discussion?? Well.. You are going into areas about how hard the programming is going to be.. I doubt there is anyone that has enough information to truly speak on that other than Bioware.. I would guess that it wouldn't be easy.. I don't know how it would impact quest triggers and other things.. What about rep?? Or the Codex?? All the countless little things that go into our character?? What about gear and bank contents?? Would all that just stay the same?? What about having to carry both sets of gear around?? How many sets of gear would people have?? 2 PVE sets and 2 PVP sets?? That is a lot of stuff to be lugging around.. Again.. I don't know on that issue..

You didn't address a few points.. Like what the game says.. The money issue with Bioware.. Making so people don't have to level another character can be viewed as a loss of content..

Should Bioware even do it.. If they allowed it once, would people understand they couldn't to it again?? What if they could do it twice?? When do people learn what permanent means??

The entire point of a class is to make our characters different.. Is there a point to even having a class if we can change our class at will??

Bioware purposely designed the game so that tanks and healers would not be on the same class.. No tank can respec to heals and visa versa.. AC swapping would nullify that restriction that Bioware wanted.. They didn't want 1 class to both tank and heal.. AC swapping allows that.. AC swapping essentially makes our current classes just specs.. As you see them.. Which means this game by your standards has only 8 classes.. If you ask Bioware, they will say 16 classes.. Is cutting the number of classes in half a good idea??

The biggest issue that I see being ignored in many ways is the most important.. Simply.. Why?? Why should AC swapping be allowed?? The hard part of all this is that anything that AC swapping can do, can also be accomplished by rolling another character and leveling the other AC.. So does it just become an issue of lazy?? A lot of people have made the effort and leveled both AC's.. I think that would upset some folks if they allowed AC swapping..

In many ways this sounds like the legacy datacrons issue.. Some people are to lazy to go collect them all for each character so they want them legacy.. Well.. This is an MMO.. There needs to be things that are left out for the people that are willing to put out the effort.. If you want all the datacrons, then go get them.. If you want to play both AC's then level another character.. You talk about restrictions.. How about restrictions that force people to actually play the game??

@ Magyk. you continue to selectively ignore many of the points I made, links I provided, etc, but that's ok, I'm not really trying to convince you here anyways. you are not the one making decisions here.

however, out of sheer curiosity, and because the same website that you linked to was one of the websites I actually looked up when doing my sorc search before deciding on linking official forums - I went back to do a tinny bit of more reading. because you see, I like to do my homework, instead of latching on to a single statement that sorta kinda fits what I want to believe, even if it doesn't exactly state it, but hey, close enough.

aside from the fact that you linked tank thread not dps (and according to our guild tanks, accuracy is not as important for tanks since high threat abilities don't miss), and the fact that you linked to un updated for over a year original post, rather then later pages in a discussion that actually deal with current state of the game

however http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forum...6-page-38.html
this is sorc/sage dps discussion. on the same forum you linked. scroll down a bit, when they start parsing 2.0 on PTS, and if you'd like - read for a few pages, especially parts when they start talking about stats and gear available on live.

and you will see that for dps, including sorc dps? accuracy is about as important as power/willpower, in fact - its number one priority, until you come close to cap (aka 110% on special attacks) within about .5%

if you continue to insist that I'm wrong despite ALL the evidence (and I have a feeling, you might), then what can I say...

in the end, I'm providing this information more for the benefit of others who might listen to your faulty information if its not corrected, and sabotage their own effectiveness, then trying to convince someone who refuses to listen to evidence, reason and logic.

So did you even read the post above or just decide to be a jerk?? Did you see the post where I said Noxxic said that DPS sages needed accuracy?? Dude.. All you are doing is making a fool of yourself..

I am treating you with civility and you aren't even reading my posts.. There is no reason for you to be a jerk... Be hey.. Point taken.. You don't want to debate the issue.. Even though I did address you post point by point.. So instead of lying about me you were actually talking about yourself right?? Just going by the evidence here.. It is pretty stupid to accuse someone of ignoring you when the post right before your own responds to you point by point..

You realty need to work on your reading skills.. As for logic?? Hmmmmm.. You should work on that too..