ETA on Advanced Class change?

1621 posts and not a single word from Bioware.

they arent gonna say anything until they are ready to say something.

for example, look the legacy dataron thread, which people ask for and eventually getting.

I see you changed your post. Again, your still assuming quite a bit. Like assuming I wasn't in Beta.

THEY NEVER SAID AC WAS A CLASS. Not once. The only thing they ever said, over and over is....

AC is a role. AC is a playstyle choice. AC is seen as a fundamentally different class design. AC should be a meaningful choice. They want AC to be a meaningful choice. Your AC defines your character for the game.

And there you go. That's it. Not once did they directly state AC was a class...in fact they indicated they designed AC as a role and at one time, for a few months, even intended to allow AC change before launch.

They INSINUATED it is a class. I agree with the view that they are distinct enough to be considered classes, which is what they have stated.

Too many "permanent" choices are no longer permanent. It is just wishful thinking, IMO, to cling to the hope that a statement made from another dev staff all the way back in beta or shortly thereafter is going to ring true with the current staff.

I contend that the vehemence against AC change, even at an early point in the game, is suspicious. I suspect that anti-AC change folks already feel the AC change is not meaningful enough and do not want it to be undervalued even further.

But for some reason can not admit that. Perhaps doing so would open the door to those that claim it is not a meaningful choice and therefore one should be allowed to change it.

I just think any REASONABLE person, for or against, should be willing to discuss and consider alternatives and options.

Dude.. The fact of the matter is that I, like many others here, were here during the beta.. I joined the Beta in July before launch.. An entire 6 months before launch..

This discussion came up in the beta.. I say Bioware's response to it.. Now, I am sorry you did not.. I wish you had because you might be a little more enlightened about this topic if you were..

Ever since launch, Bioware has maintained a stance of doing nothing to piss off it's customers.. It happens when you lose over a million people shortly after launch.. The stance however is giving soft no's for almost everything.. The typical, 'We have no plans currently, but may change our mind.' or 'We have been talking about it, but no firm plans as of yet as to when.' Something along those lines.. Those are soft No's..

Bioware made dramatic changes to the game, none of which you saw because you weren't in the beta at that time.. This happened in about August before launch.. They made dramatic changes to avoid allowing AC swapping.. Now would they have done that if they wanted us to be able to AC swap..

Originally the buttons were right above the other.. One was called one AC and of course the other was the other.. They were about an inch or two apart on your screen.. Other than a brief description of the different AC's which is still in the game.. That was all the information you had.. At that time it didn't say your choice was permanent.. You had no ability to look at the talent trees before choosing.. You really had nothing..

Which brought up the argument that people were making a mistake.. They would accidently select the wrong AC.. They also said that we should be able to look at the talent trees..

Hence what we have now.. Each button is in it's own window.. Separated by a good distance.. About 6" on my monitor.. (Monitor size obviously varies.) They also added the ability to see the talent trees, and to settle argument about AC swapping the warnings in both voice over and text were added.. Your choice was permanent and would forever dominate your destiny..

What we have now was in place and working by Mid September.. As far as the beta was concerned the debate ended.. We had got our answer..

And so has everyone in the game.. The game still issues those same warnings.. There is nothing to debate here. Bioware has responded.. Definitively.. All you have to do is play the game..

Actually they did.. Sorry you missed it.. I don't have the power to resurrect the old forums or the beta forums.. But it was in fact said a number of times.. Both Jorge and Stephen Reid said it..

You are arguing with history.. Just because you weren't here or didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen and someone else didn't see it..

I would think that would be common sense..

I am aware of that. I was a beta tester. They never once directly said AC was a class. Period.

Again with the "I wasn't in beta thing". You mean when you could kill your companions? When you had kiosks on every planet? When you had to wait until level 14 to even be able to sprint? Or maybe when your name was Beta when you started to create a character? Yellow box on the right for tips?

Enough.

No, they didn't. I didn't miss it. It didn't happen. I posted what they said. You must be remembering it wrong.

Name one alternative to AC swapping that someone has mentioned that doesn't include swapping your AC..

This entire thread destroys any argument any attempt of restricting AC swapping?? People don't know what permanent is now, what makes you think they are going to know what permanent after 1 means?? Or permanent after 2??

The biggest mistake Bioware can make is allowing it at all..

We will no longer have classes in this game.. There is no consequences for our choices..

What will the next big debate be about?? Changing from a trooper to a Jedi..

Your AC is your class and that argument is simply moot.. It has no bearing on why or why not AC swapping should be allowed.. Attempts to devalue the AC are pointless and only serve to show the weakness of someone's position..

Then you weren't a beta tester.. Or you didn't actually go to the forums.. It was posted no less than 5 times in 5 different threads.. Not to mention quoted by countless others..

Dude.. All you are doing is proving yourself wrong.. You are just spouting about stuff that anyone can find on the internet..

During the time period of July 2011 to Dec 15, 2011 (Early release) You could never kill your companions.. It never even came up..

Perhaps when you read about stuff on the internet you could at least look at the dates?? If you were in the beta during the time I was, you would know.. Unless you were one of those weekend warriors that was only there for a couple days..

How about the orange dot in my sig?? Care to explain why it is there??

I absolutely hate this idea, especially if it only costs $20 after the first time (like the OP suggested). If they do it at all, make it $100+ each time someone wants to change AC.

This way, you'd have to really and truly want to change your AC to do it. Rerolling a different AC would still be a viable option because not everyone would be willing to spend $100 (including me).

But if they were to come around and say that you can change AC for cheap or even free, then I would quit this game and never look back. Would make 2 of my characters feel worthless, and completely kill my incentive to play anymore alts (my favorite part of this game).

Not only that, but there would be sooo many noobs running around who dont know how to play their AC. Most of the ACs are VERY different from each other. This part seems like common sense to anyone who's played the game for more than a few hours...