ETA on Advanced Class change?

really??? How is that any different then saying "i do not have time to raid so give me a full set of raid gear because i want it"


Sorry but that is kinda stupid. You give these whiny little brats and inch then they will want everything. There is no legit reason to give someone a completely new class at max level.

I'm not resorting to anything Peter, I'm stating my preferred option. That doesn't mean that any other option is invalid...note that in the list I post I post ALL of the proposed models, including the one you favor.

To the level 10 to 15 choice, I understand why some pro folks might not like it. But in my opinion, for all concerned, it is the best compromise that has the smallest impact on the game.

I understand the points that folks make against my preferred method and the idea that I would like Bioware to put this to bed to give AC's more meaning. It is just my desire, which in the end means next to nothing.

This is in no way meant to invalidate any other views here. I am just expressing mine.

BTW...I'm not suggesting we delete the story. I am suggesting we get rid of the base class header in the abilities pane, put all abilities that were trooper under the new AC pane and remove all references outside of story in the game to your base class post choice. This IMO would give the AC more meaning.

To me saying it is a permanent choice, and insinuating that they see it as a fundamental class design is not enough to give it the meaning it should have.

Ok but why must it be this difficult? Why cant it just be a simple AC change? Why should BW go above and beyond for something that should have been put in the game to begin with...
There is absolutely nothing different about changing ACs in this game and switching Specs or Souls or whatever its called in other games.

Ive been reading just about every post, and even the people against AC changes are OK with allowing ac changes but with penalties and restrictions..why? ultimately its still an AC change, they just want to make this a bigger deal then it is.

If they want to put restrictions on it then GOOD, I want restrictions, but I shouldnt be penalized and pushed back levels, or have to redo the same crap I did the first time around on the same character.

Not only that, people actually will PAY for this, this game will make MONEY, to do more stuff with it. So I dont see it being a negative impact.

This feature would be completely optional, they shouldnt have to compensate for those who are happy with there character, you get the satisfaction of not having to spend money to change your ac.

indeed, you know im surprised bioware allow you to aggressively troll people everyday because it is against the eula to constantly insult other players idea. hell i got an infraction telling someone to calm down.

seriously, toned down the insults and the attitude of a ENTITLED spoiled 12 year old who think he controls how the world works.

Well, I see your point. The option I support is probably not the best option for the pro folks. The reduction in level is a bit draconian sure. The negative impact, IMO, is that allowing AC change makes ACs even less meaningful than they are now....I like my role in a game to have meaning.

That's what I like. That's not what I require. They can be completely meaningless if they wish them to be...but I would like them to make up their minds.

Either AC is a spec or it's a class. I don't think it's too much to ask to ask them to clarify their stance.

What they should have done is have the AC be the class you chose at character creation, and just have classes share stories like they do now. The class would not actually diverge in abilities until level 10.

It is a design flaw, IMO, that has caused the ACs to have less meaning than they should IMO.

You are calling her a troll when you can't even respond to what she actually said.. You have to edit what she said in your quote and respond to that.. Wow.. Talk about calling the kettle black..

To me that is totally a troll move.. You earned that title..

Guys, it might be a good idea to keep in mind that post histories stand in evidence.

it is pretty obvious, based on checking post histories who is and is not a troll.

Dude.. Nothing needs to be said to appease you.. It was said during the beta and again shortly after.. If you weren't around then.. That is your problem.. A lot of people know it was said.. Just live with it..

All that needs to be said is in the game when you choose your AC.. All you need to do is listen to that.. That is all you need to read and hear.. If you still have questions, then again that is your problem..

The only reason people want to devalue the AC is because they feel it is easier to get what they want if it isn't your class.. That is the entire basis of that argument...

Your AC is your class.. It is treated as a class and made permanent in the game.. Bioware did this.. The game says it.. Bioware did that too.. Deal with it..

Do you really feel you are informing me of some inside information by stating they do not have to appease me? Are you under some delusion that I believe they must bend to my every whim?

When I choose the AC in the game it tells me it is a permanent choice. You say that translates into it being a class. I say that is your opinion.

Let's throw both up in the air and see which one hits the ground first...well, look at that...they both hit at the same time.

I guess that means no one opinion has more weight than another....doesn't it.

There's something wrong with your eyes BTW...they keep rolling into your head. You might want to get that checked.

It's like asking someone if Orange is a fruit OR a color. It is not an OR situation IMO.


DIdn't we already go round and round over this? I'm pretty sure your one of the LAST people that should be telling anyone to listen and read for a change lol. Case in point.....

Case in point.

missed the point because you are in agreement with her or him.

my point was that (s)he CONSTANTLY insults anyone who speaks or behaves in ways that differs than her. SHE IS A TROLL. that is not a personal opinion, but fact.


but fine, i will respose to her or his moronic post.
the difference is quite simply : one is paying BIS gear WITHOUT DOING ANY WORK at all and the other DID do the work to EARN what he or she want. in this case that would be AC despite what you anti may say, those who want a lvl 55 AC switch DID level LVL 55 toon. the AC are just a subset of the toon. i post 3 toons that people have leveled without having choosing a AC. there is nothing "free" especially considering that players already did the work (e.g. lvl the toon to 50~55) and want aN OPTION TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO.....within the proper restriction on what they can do of course.



her comparison is entirely flawed and was just another daily post to insult other people.


also, how am i "entitled"?

entitled past participle, past tense of en·ti·tle (Verb)

Verb
Give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something.
Give (something, esp. a text or work of art) a particular title.

by this definition, no where within my posts am i acting entitled. in fact, i would say YOU have been acting entitled, by acting like you are the spokesperson of bioware. learn to properly use the word in the correct setting if you wish to proper insult me. as it is now, i honestly just think you are moron because you are using words that you arent properly understanding it meaning. i mean, english isnt even my first language, but even i know that the way most of the ppl use the word "entitled" on thif fourm isnt using it in the proper context.it is just the defender FOTM choice word.


try again.