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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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MajikMyst
06.20.2013 , 11:39 PM | #1571
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
What a player does with the character they PAY for can't be dictated by you, unless you are paying for that players sub.

With a AC change option, you have the choice to use it or if you don't believe in it, you don't use it.

It's that simple. Sorry but end of story, you can't counter-debate that fact. I dare anyone to try.
Read the EULA and get back to me when you are familiar with reality..

Nobody pays for a character.. Nobody owns a character and nobody gets to do what they want.. Bioware owns your character and gets to make all the rules.. Such is the reality of every MMO on the market today.. See what happens when you don't read that page of words you agree to when you install the game??

The game says your choice is permanent.. Live with it and deal with it.. Let me know if you need me to look up the word permanent??

There is no need for an AC change.. They can roll a new character and accomplish the same things.. The only reason is simply, people are to lazy to roll another character..

As for you knowing fact.. Not hardly.. You are just plain wrong on everything..

As for daring someone?? Well.. Since you haven't read the EULA and you don't know anything about what it says.. How about I just leave it as you made a fool of yourself and stuck your foot in your keyboard.. Because your post is wrong on all accounts..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

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MajikMyst
06.20.2013 , 11:49 PM | #1572
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
Players would still be limited to the roles that they could perform at any one time, as long as changing AC has a restriction that prevents changing it as much as we can currently change spec as subscribers..
The problem with your argument?? AC swapping has a restriction now that some people don't care about.. What makes you think they are going to care about your restrictions??

There is no need to change your AC.. It wouldn't be in Bioware's best interest anyways.. Taking away the need to level another character is a huge loss of content.. If people don't want to play the game then they shouldn't play it.. Not to mention pollute the forums with their demands for short cuts and making things easier..

Bioware doesn't want a single class (AC) to be able to both tank and heal.. Tanks and healers need to be separate characters.. Bioware was very specific about that when this issue came up during the beta.. It really should stay that way..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

[.] Lost but never forgotten!! 12-01-2011 R.I.P.

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MajikMyst
06.20.2013 , 11:52 PM | #1573
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
Wrong, which you would see if you even bothered to read the post instead of just show up to insult people because you have no valid argument against the topic.

A free character at max level would be if I clicked on the character selection screen and instead of creating a level one character I would create a level 55 character.

All the AC change does is allow a person to take a character they have already leveled up and try out the other set of specs for their chosen class. Something you'd realize if you'd bury your ignorant and childish behavior on these forums and actually engaged in thoughtful dialog...but I should expect such behavior from a child.

Your continued insistence on insults instead of debate just further fuels my belief that you have no argument.
That is getting a free character for free... Your AC is your class.. Each class is a character.. Changing your AC is getting a new character...

Get it now??
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

[.] Lost but never forgotten!! 12-01-2011 R.I.P.

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Hizoka
06.21.2013 , 01:44 AM | #1574
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
That is getting a free character for free... Your AC is your class.. Each class is a character.. Changing your AC is getting a new character...

Get it now??
hes as bad as the other guy. It does not suit his agenda so therefore he will never comprehend that your AC is your final class.

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LordArtemis
06.21.2013 , 02:14 AM | #1575
Ok, I think at this point I have them all. Let me know if I missed any or if any need correction.


Option 1 - This is the one I am currently willing to begrudgingly support

Level 10 to 15 - Allow AC Change - max 2 changes allowed - reduction to level 10 with change - 24 hour cooldown - once you reach level 16 AC is permanent - everything except XP and quests are unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.


Option 2

Level 10 to 55 - Allow AC Change - max 1 change allowed - reduction to level 10 with change - no cooldown - no level gate for permanent AC choice - everything except XP and quests are unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.


Option 3

Level 10 to 55 - Allow AC Change - max 2 changes allowed - no reduction in level - one month cooldown - no level gate for permanent AC choice - everything is unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.

Option 4

Level 10 to 30 - Allow AC Change - max 1 change allowed - no reduction in level - no cooldown - no level gate for permanent AC choice - everything is unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.

Option 5

Level 10 to 46 - Allow AC Change - no maximum changes, can change at will up to 46 - no reduction in level - no cooldown - once you reach level 47 AC is permanent - everything is unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.


Option 6

Level 10 to 55 - Allow AC Change - no maximum changes, can change at will - no reduction in level - no cooldown - no level gate for permanent AC choice - everything is unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.


Option 7 - This is the one that would be my preference, though I'm reasonably open to option 1

No AC change allowed.

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SithKoriandr
06.21.2013 , 02:21 AM | #1576
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
The game says your choice is permanent.. Live with it and deal with it.. Let me know if you need me to look up the word permanent??
And that EULA changes at their whim. Get used to it. Let me know if you need me to look up the word prerogative for you.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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LordArtemis
06.21.2013 , 02:29 AM | #1577
I think that plenty of things that Bioware once claimed were permanent are not permanent any longer. The original design intent just seems to be open to changes with the new dev staff. This may or may not be one of those things.

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Jeweledleah
06.21.2013 , 02:32 AM | #1578
something people keep saying - "ac swap removes the need to level another character!" n. it doesn't. it merely removes the need to play through the same story more than once. bioware wants us to see content. they gave us 8 stories to do so. ac swap will not negate that.

it is in bioware's interest to keep the game fun for the players. some people have fun playing through the same story multiple times. I'm one of them. so for us - there's ability to buy extra character slots in case we don't want to start over on another server and would rather keep playing with friends, under existing legacy. we are also often those people who wouldn't use ac change even if it existed, because we already have at least one character for each AC

some people? don't have fun playing through the same story. it has nothing to do with laziness or entitlement or any of that other stuff you all keep accusing supporters of AC change in. for some people its just not fun to see the story they already know. they are often the same people who do their utmost best to avoid spoilers. learning a new game mechanic is not that difficult when there's a will. and when there is no will, you get people like vanguard I just ran a flashpoint with, the one who hit his abilities every few seconds, and even then - they were abilities he shouldn't be using as a vanguard anyways... but still has because they are basic trooper abilities and the game keeps telling him to train new ranks of them and they do after all deal damage.

aaanyways.

leveling is not exactly challenging in this game. there's not virtue or some sort of laudable accomplishment to leveling multiple characters. you should be doing it because you want to and because its fun, not because of some odd notion of "I must walk uphill in 5 feet of snow, barefoot, or reaching destination is just not worth it, and no, don't you dare offering me a ride, it must be a walk, each and every time"

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Hizoka
06.21.2013 , 02:49 AM | #1579
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I think that plenty of things that Bioware once claimed were permanent are not permanent any longer. The original design intent just seems to be open to changes with the new dev staff. This may or may not be one of those things.
there is nothing they claimed was permanent that is no longer permanent.... On top of that the only things you can change on your character after creation are cosmetic things. There is nothing mechanical outside of changing specs that you can change on your toon. Changing a class is just a form of pay to win which is what the lazy entitled kids want.

Like it or not your AC is your class. If you need more proof go look for a 55 bounty hunter, or a 55 trooper with the /who command and tell us you find more then 100 results. When you look in the guild tab and arrange your guild by class the ACs are shown because that is how the game defines your class.

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LordArtemis
06.21.2013 , 03:13 AM | #1580
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
there is nothing they claimed was permanent that is no longer permanent.... On top of that the only things you can change on your character after creation are cosmetic things. There is nothing mechanical outside of changing specs that you can change on your toon. Changing a class is just a form of pay to win which is what the lazy entitled kids want.

Like it or not your AC is your class. If you need more proof go look for a 55 bounty hunter, or a 55 trooper with the /who command and tell us you find more then 100 results. When you look in the guild tab and arrange your guild by class the ACs are shown because that is how the game defines your class.
Hizoka, I'm anti AC change. You really need to pay attention.

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Option 7 - This is the one that would be my preference, though I'm reasonably open to option 1

No AC change allowed.
Just in case you can't be bothered to scroll up A FEW POSTS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PAGE.

Also, didn't I tell you that you and I have nothing to talk about? You are EXACTLY the type of community member that represents everything that is toxic with a gaming community. Your post history stands in evidence. It seems most of your posts are comprised of the words "lazy", "entitled" or "soccer mom". That got old the first couple dozen times you said it.

You and I will NEVER have ANYTHING to discuss.

It's like trying to explain something to my cat.