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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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LordArtemis
06.19.2013 , 03:23 PM | #1461
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
edited my previous post as you requested.
I added it as option 5. Let me know if it looks right to you.

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Jeweledleah
06.19.2013 , 03:31 PM | #1462
Quote: Originally Posted by Asturias View Post
Sense you feel self entitled for everything I'll explain.

Simple it prevents old players from starting new characters which prevents veterans from helping new recruits into the game along with getting a basic understnading of there new class. Not to mention every new player that joins needs to see a live and vibrint world with players and first impressions are key to success. It would hurt the game more than your self entitled mind would think.
insulting me doesn't make your opinions sound any better

how does it prevent old players from starting new characters? changing ac doesn't stop you from creating a new character, especially now that we can have up to 22 per server?

I've met plenty of people in pugs, who managed to get to lvl 50 and now 55 with very little understanding of how their class/advanced class/ spec actually works - up to and including using wrong primary stats and wrong armor type. those people come in 2 flavors - those willing to learn and those unwilling. you can restrict people unwilling to learn as much as you'd like and it won't make them into better players. those willing to learn will not be daunted by an option to switch their AC. and veterans can help them along with it.

AC switch is for people who are done with leveling game. those people are not leveling now, and they most likely won't be leveling in a future (unless new classes and stories are introduced that they might be curious about). restricting AC from being changed will not get more people to level. but it might rejuvenate the endgame, by allowing people to bring out old character out of retirement and enjoy them again.

people who enjoy replaying the stories, will continue to replay the stories. new players will start new characters. with or without AC change available.

so. do you have any reasons that are logical, rather than your personal opinions?

Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I added it as option 5. Let me know if it looks right to you.
looks good, thank you. this is not my personally preferred option (I like your option 3 best), merely a possible compromise, addressing FOTM concerns.

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LordArtemis
06.19.2013 , 03:33 PM | #1463
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
......especially now that we can have up to 22 per server?
...we can have up to 22 per server?

Oh, wait...by buying slots, right?

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Jeweledleah
06.19.2013 , 03:34 PM | #1464
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
So, by your definition story defines whether a player should be able to change class?

That works out great for those playing guild wars 2. Take my son and his friend. They both play charrs, they both made the almost the same selections at character creation. The sole difference is that they chose different professions. Their story lines are EXACTLY THE SAME, they have had the same choices, etc. Since their story lines are the same, then they should be able to change classes, right?

Oh, I forgot. Class changes are one of those things that very few MMO's allow since they are usually PERMANENT choices, even if they share a common story line.
the way guild wars 2 does it is irrelevant. guild wars 2 is not TOR. they have a different dynamic. address TOR and specifically TOR when making your argument.

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Jeweledleah
06.19.2013 , 03:35 PM | #1465
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
...we can have up to 22 per server?

Oh, wait...by buying slots, right?
indeed.

I currently have 20 unlocked... just in case :P mainly because on my server they consistently show up on GTN for about 100k credits, give or take, so it was cheap enough to go with "why not" option.

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LordArtemis
06.19.2013 , 03:39 PM | #1466
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
indeed.

I currently have 20 unlocked... just in case :P mainly because on my server they consistently show up on GTN for about 100k credits, give or take, so it was cheap enough to go with "why not" option.
I got to say I really dig the market and the fact I can buy most of what I want on the GTN.

I've still purchased my fair share of coins. Figured I spent 15 bucks on the box when it was on sale, so in the end I paid about as much as I would have payed at full price. A fair deal, and a bunch of cool loot in the process.

Do you see this guys? Jeweledleah and I do not agree on many points when it comes to this issue, but we can discuss it and respect each others opinions without attacking each other like rabid dogs.

It's called self respect folks.

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Anzel
06.19.2013 , 04:01 PM | #1467
Quote: Originally Posted by Asturias View Post
Sense you feel self entitled for everything I'll explain.

Simple it prevents old players from starting new characters which prevents veterans from helping new recruits into the game along with getting a basic understnading of there new class. Not to mention every new player that joins needs to see a live and vibrint world with players and first impressions are key to success. It would hurt the game more than your self entitled mind would think.
Hi, I PAY to play this game. I paid over $100 for the CE. I've paid for my subscription every single month. I'm the customer. I AM ENTITLED to a "live and vibrant world" because I am a paying customer. It's not MY JOB to create this scenario it's EA's. It's EA's because that's what I'm paying them for.

If they don't do their jobs and give me what I'M ENTITLED TO as a paying customer then everyone will quit and there will be no game. SOURCE: Every single MMO except WoW.
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Revenaught
06.19.2013 , 04:13 PM | #1468
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
Hi, I PAY to play this game. I paid over $100 for the CE. I've paid for my subscription every single month. I'm the customer. I AM ENTITLED to a "live and vibrant world" because I am a paying customer. It's not MY JOB to create this scenario it's EA's. It's EA's because that's what I'm paying them for.

If they don't do their jobs and give me what I'M ENTITLED TO as a paying customer then everyone will quit and there will be no game. SOURCE: Every single MMO except WoW.
So you believe you are entitled to AC swaps. I too paid for a CE. I too paid my sub every single month. I however do not believe we are entitled to AC swaps. Now where does that leave us. Will only half the people leave the game if you don't get what you feel you are entitled to because I don't feel you are entitled to it?
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Aries_cz
06.19.2013 , 04:33 PM | #1469
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
Hi, I PAY to play this game. I paid over $100 for the CE. I've paid for my subscription every single month. I'm the customer. I AM ENTITLED to a "live and vibrant world" because I am a paying customer. It's not MY JOB to create this scenario it's EA's. It's EA's because that's what I'm paying them for.

If they don't do their jobs and give me what I'M ENTITLED TO as a paying customer then everyone will quit and there will be no game. SOURCE: Every single MMO except WoW.
You are not entitled to anything beyond accessing game servers to use the product "as it is". It says so in that little piece of text known as EULA you probably skipped. That is all you pay for.
As a owner of CE, you are "entitled" to access special vendor in game, and to have each character equipped with some vanity stuff from the start.
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Truga
06.19.2013 , 06:54 PM | #1470
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
SOURCE: Every single MMO except WoW.
Funny, how every single (good, anyway) MMO except WoW isn't shedding subs right now.
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