ETA on Advanced Class change?

Ohhhhhhh OK OK OK now I see. Here. Let me explain it in a much simpler way.

1.) I pay for my characters. They are mine. Period.
2.) What I do with them is my business. Nobody else's... as in none of your business. SOURCE: See 1.

I really hope this helps you understand how this works. It seems that you are confused on the matter. Good luck OK?

Just for those that like to make up fiction and call it fact, here you go.

Spoken by Daniel Erickson, a Dev that no longer works for the company, and he did NOT SAY THEY WERE INDIVIDUAL CLASSES. He said they seem them as FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS DESIGNS.

You can assume what that means if you like. I think it means they see them as similar to classes, different enough from each other to be treated like a class....which I agree with.

He doesn't say they are distinct classes, they were designed that way, etc.

Oh, but wait, here is another exact quote....and a more recent one at that, from a CURRENT STAFF MEMBER....

Note that DS does not say in any way shape or form that ACs are classes. Nor does he say they are not. But verbatum, they have had serious talks about offering it and it will likely happen eventually.

So here are the only true facts based on both quotes and other direct Bioware quotes posted in this thread.

1) Bioware sees ACs as fundamentally different class designs. There is no way of knowing if the current dev team has the same view, but it is likely.
2) Bioware has had serious talks recently recently about offering AC change, and at least one dev believes this will likely happen eventually.
3) AC choice is currently a permanent choice. Players receive warnings to this effect.
4) You are not required to choose an AC. You can play all the way to level 50 without choosing one (haven't seen evidence of level 55, so I can not state this as fact.
5) At one time, for several months, Bioware intended to allow AC change. This was before launch.
6) Bioware has called ACs roles or playstyle choices on more than one occasion. They have never specifically called them a class to my knowledge.

These are the only facts that are irrefutable. Multiple posts have been provided to prove it.

Now, for my opinion.......

I believe one can view AC's as class designs since they are different enough from each other...so I label them as a class, though I recognize that is not set in stone. It is just my opinion.

I believe that allowing AC change with no restrictions would have detrimental effects on the game which I will not repeat here. Allowing an early change would have a much lower impact, and I would be willing to support that option. However, I would prefer, If I had a say in the matter (I do not) that it remains as it is for now.

There is still room to discuss the issue for anyone that wishes to do so IMO.

Your being delusional if you think that has any effect on whether or not folks discuss this. It's a silly contention that has no basis in reality.

See? Super easy.

Yep, I understand now!

1.) BW has complete control over every single thing you are and aren't allowed to do in the forums AND in the game. And you're delusional. But that is okay. Ignorance = bliss.
2.) See 1
3.) See 6
5.) See 4
6.) See 2

Ohhhhh I see... you've read the EULA. That is most helpful. You are super intelligent for reading it. Here... let me just explain this in a really super simple way.

1.) My characters are my own. I paid for them. They are mine.
2.) What I do with my characters is my business and nobody else's. Not yours or anyone else's. SEE 1.

Since (according to you) you're such a super intelligent person for reading the EULA you should be able to understand what I'm saying above. I really really hope this helps you

Actually Hizoka, if you want to see why games like this go down the toilet....you might want to take a look at players that extensive histories as a forum troll.

Your post history stands in evidence of everything that is toxic about general forums. I will let others judge your post history on their own. I have made my judgement.

And you have made yours. There is no need for us to speak further.

I apologize that you are so super concerned about how everyone else is playing the game. I know that it must bother you to no end that you cannot control what they are doing or not doing. This is hard for you, I understand. I've given this some thought and I think this may help:

1.) I pay for my characters. They are mine.
2.) What I do with them is my business, nobody else's.

I know that you want debate the EULA and the TOS and the Forum Rules to find some sliver of hope that you can control what everyone else is doing. But I'm sorry. Please see what I've outlined above. I think you will find it most helpful

...and yet you try and control what people can or can not discuss. How is that any different?

Unless you are trying to be purposefully combative.

And I understand that you cannot grasp what I am saying. I'm also sorry that you feel I am concerned. Let me make it clear: I couldn't care less

1.) Never tried to control you. Merely enlightening you to the fact that BW has absolute control.
2.) You're attempting to be combative.

I know it bothers you that other people have voices and opinions. And I know how much it bothers you to not have control over BW. I'm truly sorry for that.

Hopefully we can get back to the discussion at hand.

I am curious to know if anyone has reached level 55 without choosing a class. I know some folks posted a few links...I will look for them, but if they could be reposted I would appreciate it.

So, at this point I assume there are a few compromise models, not the only ones mind you, and not the last word on the matter, but here are the ones I am aware of that have been mentioned most often....

This is the one I am currently willing to begrudgingly support

Level 10 to 15 - Allow AC Change - max 2 changes allowed - reduction to level 10 with change - 24 hour cooldown - once you reach level 16 AC is permanent - everything except XP is uneffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.

This is another that has been mentioned

Level 10 to 55 - Allow AC Change - max 2 changes allowed - no reduction in level - one month cooldown - no level gate for permanent AC choice - everything is unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.

And yet another

Level 10 to 30 - Allow AC Change - max 1 change allowed - no reduction in level - 7 day cooldown - no level gate for permanent AC choice - everything is unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.

And the final one I have seen

Level 10 to 55 - Allow AC Change - no maximum changes, can change at will - no reduction in level - no cooldown - no level gate for permanent AC choice - everything is unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.

If there are any other proposals for consideration, please let me know.