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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Nythain
06.17.2013 , 11:08 PM | #1291
Quote: Originally Posted by Xeperi View Post
I am still for ac changing at level 20 for free with a steadily rising xp cost per level after that and a 90 day cooldown. So 1 change at level 20 is free, 90 day cool down. Every level after 20 is a 5% xp charge maxing out at 100% xp charge at level 40. 100% xp charge simply means the character reverts back to level 10. So if you change ac at or after level 40 you are going to be reset back to level 10. That way the more time invested in a character, the steeper the penalty. I think level 20 should be the minimum to be able to change just so you don't have people changing arbitrarily- they will have 10 levels to really make up their mind.
This sounds fine on paper, but an EXP cost is the worst way to handle the situation, especially one capable of level regression. Even compounded by the extreme you proposed. Going from 40 to 10 is more severe than you'd think, because the ability to get back to 40 is greatly hindered due to a complete lack of story and side mission content. This system would cost more subs and players than its worth, especially since there are other methods (cooldowns, large credit costs, and cartel coin costs) that wouldn't be detrimental to the players game enjoyment.

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ShadowHvo
06.17.2013 , 11:08 PM | #1292
Quote: Originally Posted by Nythain View Post
His AC change only affected him... Your choice to kick him affected your guild. With AC changes, who's to say he couldn't just change back to Juggy if/when it was necessary?
In our guild you join depending on your role. You change your roll to something we already have enough of, you're out. Simple as that. People agrees to the rules when they join, and such it is. Do not speak about my guild like you know how it works like. Since you clearly don't.

Ofcourse it's different from guild to guild, how they run the show. I'm just giving my cents from my Guilds pov.
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PeterTLJr
06.17.2013 , 11:10 PM | #1293
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowHvo View Post
In our guild you join depending on your role. You change your roll to something we already have enough of, you're out. Simple as that. People agrees to the rules when they join, and such it is. Do not speak about my guild like you know how it works like. Since you clearly don't.

Ofcourse it's different from guild to guild, how they run the show. I'm just giving my cents from my Guilds pov.
Its your choice to remove him, he is affected by his own ac change, not you.
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Nythain
06.17.2013 , 11:11 PM | #1294
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowHvo View Post
In our guild you join depending on your role. You change your roll to something we already have enough of, you're out. Simple as that. People agrees to the rules when they join, and such it is. Do not speak about my guild like you know how it works like. Since you clearly don't.

Ofcourse it's different from guild to guild, how they run the show. I'm just giving my cents from my Guilds pov.
Again, your rules affect your guild... Get a new tank, or multiple tanks... The player is still the only one directly affected by his choice to change. You have the right to run your guild however you want, but it's your rulings that are causing this situation just as much as his action.

EDIT: A side question? If the same player decided to role a Mara alt, would his alt be welcome in the guild or immediately denied due to too many Maras already?

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ShadowHvo
06.17.2013 , 11:15 PM | #1295
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
You gain skill tree abilities. Not all commandos get those unless they pick that tree. Completely different.
If I pick vanguard, I get vanguard abilities and trooper, and skill tree abilities for whatever I put my points in.

If I pick retribution, I get retribution abilities and paladin abilities, and skill tree abilities for whatever I put my points in.

Is this wrong? Is there any difference?
http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-.../commando/223/

I can see abilities in each of those 3 trees.
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Khevar
06.17.2013 , 11:16 PM | #1296
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Its your choice to remove him, he is affected by his own ac change, not you.
I have to say, this is a particularly self-centered view of things.

As an MMO, people interact with one another. People rely on one another. People contribute to others, or work against others.

If you play the game completely solo, on a PvE server, unflagged, and don't ninja area objectives, you're not affecting others. But every time you do a flashpoint, a heroic, an operation, or operate in an area with other players, you DO.

I'm not going to try and argue with you against AC changes, as the last many many many pages of posts from you have shown you've made up your mind and nothing is likely to impinge.

But it is silly to think that a changing a players advanced class could NEVER affect another player. Most things we do affect other players in some way. To think otherwise is to be unaware of others.

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PeterTLJr
06.17.2013 , 11:17 PM | #1297
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowHvo View Post
http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-.../commando/223/

I can see abilities in each of those 3 trees.
Reread the original post, I clearly stated you get skill tree abilities as well.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
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ShadowHvo
06.17.2013 , 11:18 PM | #1298
Quote: Originally Posted by Nythain View Post
Again, your rules affect your guild... Get a new tank, or multiple tanks... The player is still the only one directly affected by his choice to change. You have the right to run your guild however you want, but it's your rulings that are causing this situation just as much as his action.

EDIT: A side question? If the same player decided to role a Mara alt, would his alt be welcome in the guild or immediately denied due to too many Maras already?
We're a small RP-PvE guild, as of now, we don't have alts in the guild.
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PeterTLJr
06.17.2013 , 11:20 PM | #1299
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
I have to say, this is a particularly self-centered view of things.

As an MMO, people interact with one another. People rely on one another. People contribute to others, or work against others.

If you play the game completely solo, on a PvE server, unflagged, and don't ninja area objectives, you're not affecting others. But every time you do a flashpoint, a heroic, an operation, or operate in an area with other players, you DO.

I'm not going to try and argue with you against AC changes, as the last many many many pages of posts from you have shown you've made up your mind and nothing is likely to impinge.

But it is silly to think that a changing a players advanced class could NEVER affect another player. Most things we do affect other players in some way. To think otherwise is to be unaware of others.
There is nothing wrong with AC changes, its not class changes, so your right there is most likely nothing you can say to change that.

Its an mmo yes, you play with others, when you join a guild and raid with them, thats a mutual benefit, if you want to drop your role from that raid spot, they replace you, you lose your raiding spot, you are the affected one. The guild isnt going to collapse if you switch your AC.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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ShadowHvo
06.17.2013 , 11:20 PM | #1300
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
I have to say, this is a particularly self-centered view of things.

As an MMO, people interact with one another. People rely on one another. People contribute to others, or work against others.

If you play the game completely solo, on a PvE server, unflagged, and don't ninja area objectives, you're not affecting others. But every time you do a flashpoint, a heroic, an operation, or operate in an area with other players, you DO.

I'm not going to try and argue with you against AC changes, as the last many many many pages of posts from you have shown you've made up your mind and nothing is likely to impinge.

But it is silly to think that a changing a players advanced class could NEVER affect another player. Most things we do affect other players in some way. To think otherwise is to be unaware of others.
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