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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 06:04 PM | #1061
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Good point, but as stated before, that is why they need restrictions on it so if they buff guardian dps, not every sentinel would disappear and vise versa.

As far as more dps and better utilities, thats opinion based. I have seen guardians out dps sentinels.
This was one of my concerns as well, and I listed it as one of the reputable reasons against the change.

I feel it may trivialize certain AC's if folks can change AC on a whim late game. MAY....does not mean definitely....but it is a concern.

It's one of the reasons that I have not decided to support the idea....yet. And if I do it would probably be support for the early game option with a reduction to level 10.

...I feel it's fair to point out that my particular support means next to nothing.

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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 06:08 PM | #1062
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Well thats just exactly it, the devs have changed their views on ACs before, so theres no reason why they cant change it again. Yellow posts arent forever permanent, its permanent for the time being until a new yellow post saying otherwise.
And to add to that I think any reasonable person would have to admit that the new dev staff obviously looks at the game, and former "no change ever" options as being "on the table" so to speak.

After all, the former dev staff did state, quite clearly (evidence posted in this thread) that things like appearance change after creation, free respecs, F2P, cross class gear appearance, etc would either never happen because they were contrary to design intent or probably would never happen.

And yet they have. The prior dev staff was obviously very anti-option, from the "choices matter" crowd. The current dev staff does not seem to be from that crowd.

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PeterTLJr
06.14.2013 , 06:10 PM | #1063
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
This was one of my concerns as well, and I listed it as one of the reputable reasons against the change.

I feel it may trivialize certain AC's if folks can change AC on a whim late game. MAY....does not mean definitely....but it is a concern.

It's one of the reasons that I have not decided to support the idea....yet. And if I do it would probably be support for the early game option with a reduction to level 10.

...I feel it's fair to point out that my particular support means next to nothing.
Reducing people back to level 10 would cause havoc, crew skills, companion affect, losing companions, dark/lightside alignment, basically everything would be at loss as well, almost making it pointless to have the switch.
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Hizoka
06.14.2013 , 06:10 PM | #1064
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, to be fair they have insinuated (perhaps not directly stated) that the ACs are classes or at least are "like" classes on many occasions to my knowledge. I suppose it could be argued that they may not see them as classes any longer, but remember that they did, at one time, allow AC change.

I also have to mention in fairness that originally, based on their own comments prior to launch (those comments posted and linked in this very thread) the ACs were originally designed as "role" choices, not individual classes.

So it is in fact a pretty confusing contention. It seems there is no way to know with any finality how they view the ACs, but one could infer at present, if you look at comments only, that they at least view current ACs as "similar" to classes enough that they were against AC change, at least until the latest comments concerning change.
i have played this game since it was in alpha AC changes have NEVER been allowed on any level.

So everything you just posted is a 100% lie.

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PeterTLJr
06.14.2013 , 06:12 PM | #1065
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
i have played this game since it was in alpha AC changes have NEVER been allowed on any level.

So everything you just posted is a 100% lie.
Are you kidding? One of the biggest talked about things was if AC was going to be allowed to be switched or not. They changed there minds so much about it, finally stating no before the game was launched, which could have been due to EA forcing this game to come out before it was ready.
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Hizoka
06.14.2013 , 06:14 PM | #1066
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
And to add to that I think any reasonable person would have to admit that the new dev staff obviously looks at the game, and former "no change ever" options as being "on the table" so to speak.

After all, the former dev staff did state, quite clearly (evidence posted in this thread) that things like appearance change after creation, free respecs, F2P, cross class gear appearance, etc would either never happen because they were contrary to design intent or probably would never happen.

And yet they have. The prior dev staff was obviously very anti-option, from the "choices matter" crowd. The current dev staff does not seem to be from that crowd.
they at one time thought about adding the option in beta but they said they desided to NEVER allow AC changes that is why they added in so many audio and text notifications that the AC CAN NEVER BE CHANGED.

They knew it would be bad for the game to allow for full class changes. They want some choices to matter.

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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 06:19 PM | #1067
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Reducing people back to level 10 would cause havoc, crew skills, companion affect, losing companions, dark/lightside alignment, basically everything would be at loss as well, almost making it pointless to have the switch.
Well, this is what I favor, how I think it would be done and why.

AC change - Level 10 to 15 - two changes allowed

You would be allowed, after making the initial AC choice to revert back to a state where you have not chosen an AC. Xp would be removed from your character to demote that character to a level of 10.

All affection, crew skills and levels, EC, gear, accomplishments, reputation, comms and the like would be unaffected.
All quests would be reset to the state they were in before you chose your AC, including any side quests.

The reset would cost CC coins and would have a 24 hour cooldown. You are allowed 2 changes before level 16...at level 16 your AC choice becomes permanent.


The reason I think this is the best choice is because it has the lowest impact on the game but still provides an out for those that simply make a mistake. Also, you do not receive any new companions during this period as far as I am aware...level 10 to 15. So no need to remove any.

The only thing that one would lose would be levels gained and mission done to that point, reset to the level 10 state.

This is the best compromise that has the lowest impact on the game overall IMO.

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PeterTLJr
06.14.2013 , 06:20 PM | #1068
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, this is what I favor, how I think it would be done and why.

AC change - Level 10 to 15 - two changes allowed

You would be allowed, after making the initial AC choice to revert back to a state where you have not chosen an AC. Xp would be removed from your character to demote that character to a level of 10.

All affection, crew skills and levels, EC, gear, accomplishments, reputation, comms and the like would be unaffected.
All quests would be reset to the state they were in before you chose your AC, including any side quests.

The reset would cost CC coins and would have a 24 hour cooldown. You are allowed 2 changes before level 16...at level 16 your AC choice becomes permanent.


The reason I think this is the best choice is because it has the lowest impact on the game but still provides an out for those that simply make a mistake. Also, you do not receive any new companions during this period as far as I am aware...level 10 to 15. So no need to remove any.

The only thing that one would lose would be levels gained and mission done to that point, reset to the level 10 state.

This is the best compromise that has the lowest impact on the game overall IMO.
As that may be, it would require a lot more work to do something like this, then just a simple AC change. The goal of the AC changing would be to make money, I dont see many people paying to have their characters reduced 45 levels for a new AC.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 06:21 PM | #1069
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
i have played this game since it was in alpha AC changes have NEVER been allowed on any level.

So everything you just posted is a 100% lie.
Hmm. Problem with that statement is that Bioware contradicts you pretty clearly. The proof has been posted time and time again in this very thread. The option was removed before launch.

Stop being predatory or you will be reported. You do not have even the slightest right of accusing anyone of lying here. You have been warned before about your behavior on the boards many times....you know better.

Cut it out.

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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 06:24 PM | #1070
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
As that may be, it would require a lot more work to do something like this, then just a simple AC change. The goal of the AC changing would be to make money, I dont see many people paying to have their characters reduced 45 levels for a new AC.
Well, I was speaking to just a change allowed between levels 10 to 15.

I'm not fond of this idea at all, but I'm much more likely to begrudgingly support an early AC change than a late one. I think a late AC change just has too many bad effects on the game as a whole.

But I haven't decided yet.