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BW, please fix Partisan and Conquer power relic proc stacking.

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BW, please fix Partisan and Conquer power relic proc stacking.
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Kindran
05.23.2013 , 12:50 AM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Nitromonger View Post
Unless the text is wrong on the UW relic it IS better than the Conq and so is the Arkainian for PVE. I guess I don't get why everyone thinks the PVP stuff is better for PVE unless it is due to the ease to acquire. The Conq/Part relics are easier to obtain but far from BIS in a PVE setting.
What you are missing is that the PvP power proc relics can proc from both healing and damage. The PvE counterparts can only proc once each during the 20 second ICD.

For example Conqueror and Partisan can both proc to stack with each other and they can both proc twice in the 20sec ICD, once from a damaging attack AND once from a heal. This can give a max of 845 power for 12sec every 20 seconds. You can also include different variations of the 2x2 procing like 6sec of 435power > 6sec of 845power > 6sec of 410power (adds up to 18sec of various +power) over 20seconds. In a spec like Madness Sorcerers or Balance Sages this happens all the time due to DoT crits giving self heals.

The PvE SA relics do not proc twice on each relic. It can only proc once from damage OR once from healing every 20 seconds. This would give a max of 1060power for 6 seconds every 20seconds, or other variations like 6sec of 550power > 6sec of 510power every 20sec.
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05.23.2013 , 05:27 PM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by AmberGreen View Post
Hi there folks,

Relics procs of the same type shouldn't stack, and we have this bug fixed for Game Update 2.1.1. Because the fix is still in testing, there's always the chance that it will be moved to a different patch. If so, I'll be sure to let you know!


~Amber
Are PvP and PvE relics considered the same? So, will a PvP power proc relic stack with a PvE power proc relic?
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Nitromonger
05.23.2013 , 05:49 PM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by Kindran View Post
What you are missing is that the PvP power proc relics can proc from both healing and damage. The PvE counterparts can only proc once each during the 20 second ICD.
The PvE SA relics do not proc twice on each relic. It can only proc once from damage OR once from healing every 20 seconds.
Ok, that makes sense to me. To me, the biggest misconception was that there was some way to get 1690 power from procs, which has not proven to be true.

In response to the question about PVP relics proccing in PVE, yes they do. I have been using an UW/Conq combo. Guess I've been doing it wrong in PVE.
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05.23.2013 , 11:56 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by Brunner_Venda View Post
So, now that this is fixed, or will be in a few days.

The BiS for PVP DPS is the conqueror serendipitous and the conqueror internal tech damage?
I'd like to know about this too. Has anyone done the math on this yet?
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05.24.2013 , 12:28 PM | #135
Kind of funny how the fool opening the initial post said he thinks people getting crit for 9k is a result of the double proc. I was hitting mauls for 9k and as high as 11k before I had the conq serendipitous assault relic. Nice when people whine based on pure speculation. Thanks though. Now it will be even harder to down geared healers who are already hard as hell to down. Learn your class and get some gear before crying about how much you die.

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05.28.2013 , 08:18 AM | #136
any news on if and when it will be fixed?
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05.29.2013 , 11:03 AM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by AmberGreen View Post
Hi there folks,

Relics procs of the same type shouldn't stack, and we have this bug fixed for Game Update 2.1.1. Because the fix is still in testing, there's always the chance that it will be moved to a different patch. If so, I'll be sure to let you know!


~Amber
Since 2.1.1 is now slated to come out tomorrow and as far as I can tell this fix will be implemented then, can we now get some clarification on some things:

1 - So, right now, the PvP ones can trigger off of damage and heals giving two procs from one relic. PvE ones cannot. So I just want it laid out specifically that there's no way a person should get 2 power surges in a 20 second window, right? That as soon as you get your power surge proc, expect not to see it again for another 20 seconds, correct?

2 - From what I've read from people testing is that the proc'ing of a relic that gives power surge also affects that 4.5 sec ICD of the proc'ing relic that does damage. I hope this is not intended and that it's a bug. Can you clarify what the intended mechanic is?

3 - Can you confirm that these changes are still coming out tomorrow and that it's been tested thoroughly. If not, I can see myself hitting the dummy for an hour and looking at my combat log just to have to find out myself, but I think it would be heck of a lot easier to hear it from the devs on how their items are supposed to work.

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islander
05.29.2013 , 11:17 AM | #138
Yeah, we still don't know how this is all going to shake out.

I don't mind my relics not stacking, as long as I know each one will fire off for 6 seconds every 20. Basically giving me 12 seconds of single relic boost uptime per 20.

I also wouldn't mind you just changing it to +200 power each, or whatever.
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Lostpenguins
05.29.2013 , 12:35 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by islander View Post
Yeah, we still don't know how this is all going to shake out.

I don't mind my relics not stacking, as long as I know each one will fire off for 6 seconds every 20. Basically giving me 12 seconds of single relic boost uptime per 20.

I also wouldn't mind you just changing it to +200 power each, or whatever.
Yeah, that's also a good point. If you get a power surge from Relic 1, after it fades 6 seconds later couldn't the second one proc at that point? That's not stacking.

So, yes, can you give us some definitive clarification?

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Lostpenguins
05.30.2013 , 11:06 AM | #140
Okay... seriously, the patch came out and still we don't have any clarification on this. All I see in the patch notes is this:
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PvP Relics will no longer stack procs if a character is wearing both the Partisan and Conqueror versions.
However, as a Anni Marauder spec I can both DPS and Heal at the same time. Currently I'm only using one PvP Relic and one PvE Relic that both provide power surge. Before this patch I was seeing 2 power surges on my character at the same time.

Nothing... I repeat... NOTHING in this patch note says that there's any change for me since I did not stack 2 PvP relics.

I'm actually a bit frustrated that you guys cannot simply come out and say the exact mechanics of what should happen here since your patch note is sorely missing detailed information.

1) Does this mean a PvE and a PvP Relic that both provide Power Surge can stack?
2) Does this mean that the PvP Relics still provide a healing proc and damage proc Power Surge that's independent so a user can get both to proc and get double Power Surge?
3) Does the Power Surge proc continue to interfere with the 4.5 sec ICD of the Relics that proc damage (Like Serendipitous Assault)?

Can we get some detailed answers to these questions please?