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So.. Account Wide Datacrons

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midianlord
03.28.2014 , 02:43 PM | #641
Quote: Originally Posted by JesseSky View Post
We would really like to allow players to unlock datacrons at the Legacy level, and it's pretty high on my personal wishlist. We're still investigating the technical feasibility, so I can't make any promises.

Why are you set on making what is already one of the easiest MMOs out there even easier?

Just curious.
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Drudenfusz
03.28.2014 , 03:07 PM | #642
Quote: Originally Posted by midianlord View Post
Why are you set on making what is already one of the easiest MMOs out there even easier?

Just curious.
How would it be easier if they would make it that one can olny get the datacrons with this that one got with at least one other character already? It makes it just more convinient, not easier.
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uaintjak
03.28.2014 , 04:30 PM | #643
Quote: Originally Posted by PetFish View Post
Your definition of 'reasonable' must be different than everyone else's.

There are plenty of 'reasonable' arguments against account-wide Datacrons, but, just like most pro-Legacy Datacron people, you choose to ignore and/or dismiss them and that's nothing anyone can help you with.
Who's everyone else? You and Ratajack? Please.

I choose to dismiss them because the term "lazy" when you're talking about a computer game is hilariously inappropriate. If you have some other argument, please, by all means, trot it out.

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Manweth
03.28.2014 , 05:57 PM | #644
Quote: Originally Posted by Cidanel View Post
I have yet to see a reasonable argument FOR account-wide datacron unlocks. The only argument for it is "I am too lazy to get them again"
The argument is not "I am too lazy."

The argument is "I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SANITY LEFT TO DO THEM AGAIN."

Get it right. Because this is a BIG detail.

Not enough sanity, people, LITERALLY. Not. Enough. Sanity. Left.

Datacrons are like an ex-wife that still lives in your house.

Oh, and the "12/12 chars I got all cronz!" dude?

Datacron Master title, in itself, just doing them once gives a guy like me an acute PTSD. If you farmed them on all your chars.......

You are a sociopath. A psychopath, a sociopath and a schizo all in one.

There is no OTHER explanation if you REALLY did all that.

You CANNOT be human if you did.
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Arkerus
03.28.2014 , 06:02 PM | #645
Quote: Originally Posted by midianlord View Post
Why are you set on making what is already one of the easiest MMOs out there even easier?

Just curious.
These responses always make me chuckle.

Oh you.

What is this self abusive, self absorbed culture that pervades this genre?

"Herp derp, the game has to be as hard as possible and doing something once isn't good enough. I spend 12 hours a day doing repetitive tasks so you should do."

That's what you sound like. Not trying to be rude but that's how it reads.
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Grayseven
03.28.2014 , 06:43 PM | #646
Look, I don't care if they make these things Legacy or not but seriously, you folks so adamantly against it need to come up with something better than "lazy" or "game too easy" if you want anyone to take your criticisms seriously.

Lazy denotes not wanting to do work. All gamers are inherently lazy as we would be out doing something constructive with our free time rather than spending it lost in a fantasy world. And for the game to be too easy it would first have to be hard at some point and I have yet played a game that could ever be construed as hard even under the most flexible use of the term.

The correct terms are fun, enjoyment and not boring. These are what the hunt for datacrons currently isn't. As MMO players, we do these once for whatever reason and quite often not even once just because the reward is not worth the effort.

Again, if the reward were more than that given by one augment at end game there might be an argument since the advantage would be such that it should be required on every character. But lets face it, if you can swap mods about on legacy gear to toons that didn't "earn it" what makes it so important to make something as inconsequential as datacron bonuses an individual character endeavor?

About the only argument I can see as valid in not making datacrons legacy wide is that the bonus just doesn't matter, and I will defend that stance to the end until someone shows parse data that proves conclusively that they provide a greater advantage to players than being able to move BoP mods on legacy armor to toons that didn't earn the mods.
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midianlord
03.28.2014 , 07:56 PM | #647
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
These responses always make me chuckle.

Oh you.

What is this self abusive, self absorbed culture that pervades this genre?

"Herp derp, the game has to be as hard as possible and doing something once isn't good enough. I spend 12 hours a day doing repetitive tasks so you should do."

That's what you sound like. Not trying to be rude but that's how it reads.
Why are you all advocating the removal-by-monetisation of everything that makes an MMO, an MMO?

In this case, exploration ---> rewards for same as incentive to do it?

This is one of the few ways in which this game encourages exploration whereas otherwise, the exact opposite is often the case.

I mean, we already got the Sims and Second Life, don't we? If you want everything monetised, then go play those.

I'm not even going to mention how this is pay-for-potential-advantage, and where that vileness can lead to.

To answer your other question:

Some of us like a little challenge in our games, and the feeling that comes with earning rewards from overcoming same.

But then, I know better than to try and convince the smugly self-righteous, over-entitled pay-to-win generation of the upsides of that.

Thankfully, I and those like me have still got other options, at least for now.
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Ratajack
03.28.2014 , 08:13 PM | #648
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
And what, pray tell, is the statistical advantage? As was stated earlier it amounts to around 1 augment. Statistically, it is an insignificant advantage. I guarantee that progression raiding guilds don't check for datacron's before they allow people into their Op groups. The fact that getting datacrons on just one character is one of the most mind-numbingly boring tasks created in a genre that is defined by its boring and repetitive tasks means that for the vast majority, it isn't worth the effort.

If you get them on one character, you've earned it. But like titles and achievements they should be something shared by toons. After all, getting the Willpower datacrons on a trooper gives you zero advantage so why should the trooper bother? But if you let them count like every other achievement you can get credit for getting them all without doing something boring and non-advantageous.

You, and others like you, seem to think that it gives players some sort of overwhelming advantage that should be required to be obtained on every single toon when in fact there is no real advantage. No one is at a disadvantage for not having them because the amount of benefit they provide just doesn't matter at end game stat levels. If they provided a larger...much, much larger...advantage then and only then would you have a valid argument.

Then you aren't missing anything by not having those stat bonuses if you choose not to find the datacrons on all your characters.

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Ratajack
03.28.2014 , 08:19 PM | #649
Quote: Originally Posted by Drudenfusz View Post
How would it be easier if they would make it that one can olny get the datacrons with this that one got with at least one other character already? It makes it just more convinient, not easier.
It makes it easier because a player could find the datacrons with only ONE character and magically be able to create INFINITE sets of stat bonuses, one for each and every character they have, present and future.

Saying it only makes it more convenient is like saying that it's only more convenient, not easier, if your boss were to pay you every week until you retire since you already did all that work last week, even though you will be doing no work in the future.

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Ratajack
03.28.2014 , 08:22 PM | #650
Quote: Originally Posted by Manweth View Post
The argument is not "I am too lazy."

The argument is "I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SANITY LEFT TO DO THEM AGAIN."

Get it right. Because this is a BIG detail.

Not enough sanity, people, LITERALLY. Not. Enough. Sanity. Left.

Datacrons are like an ex-wife that still lives in your house.

Oh, and the "12/12 chars I got all cronz!" dude?

Datacron Master title, in itself, just doing them once gives a guy like me an acute PTSD. If you farmed them on all your chars.......

You are a sociopath. A psychopath, a sociopath and a schizo all in one.

There is no OTHER explanation if you REALLY did all that.

You CANNOT be human if you did.
A rose by any other name still has thorns. The definition of laziness is an aversion to work or EFFORT. Most of the pro-legacy datacron posters certainly sound like people with an aversion to the effort of finding the datacrons on each character. By definition, that qualifies as laziness. No matter how you want to justify that laziness, it is still laziness.