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Why did Jeff Hickman lie to subscribers about the future of the game?

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Why did Jeff Hickman lie to subscribers about the future of the game?
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Neoeve
05.18.2013 , 03:27 PM | #501
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaerah View Post
This is very odd.

I am playing MMOs since the 2000s and I have NEVER had to play a full sub PLUS more money for some features. To me this reeks of a money grabbing scheme.

In "pre F2P era" MMOs you'd get everything for your $15. Everything, save very special services like moving characters between servers, undeleting them and similar.

In F2P era MMOs I'd have to buy slots, ability to use gear and similar, sure. But the game costed ZERO recurring sub (a bit like Preferred Status).

In other MMOs I'd pay the box (Guild Wars 2) but no subscription at all. Even the additional features could be (also) bought with in game gold.

In other MMOs I'd either pay a full sub and have EVERYTHING or pay a "reduced" (halved) sub and separately pay for additional features.

So what's the deal with SWTOR having BOTH to pay the full, class AAA MMO subscription AND ALSO pay the "additional features"?

Money Grab.
Ok i didn't want to but take WoW for example, sure you can change your hair at the barber shop for free but everything else you have to pay.

And since you are a subscriber don't you get cartel points every month for free? so you're not really paying extra for anything.

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Aries_cz
05.18.2013 , 03:33 PM | #502
Quote: Originally Posted by Neoeve View Post
And since you are a subscriber don't you get cartel points every month for free? so you're not really paying extra for anything.
<logic type="typical-forum-user">Herp derp, but I can't buy all the stuff from the Makret with my coins stipend, derp </logic>
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05.18.2013 , 04:14 PM | #503
I will just be as honest as I can here, it was a poor choice in wording on our part. I know that players have made decisions around whether to remain a subscriber based on those words which makes it all that much more sensitive. I apologize if you feel that you were misled by what we said in that blog. Since this blog I feel we have been more consistent in our messaging that you can expect things like cosmetic and convenience features (like Appearance Designer) are the types of things we usually place on the Cartel Market.

It has always been our plan that as new content is released,(such as Flashpoints, Operations, in-game events, daily hubs, etc.) that subscribers will get access to these pieces of content. This is unlike a free-2-play player who will need to purchase access to that content. This is why we stated subscribers gained "unlimited" access to that content, because you get that as a part of your subscription.

For Cartel Market items, you have access to purchase all of them, as do F2P players. What sets you folks apart is your monthly stipend which will allow you to purchase those features at no additional cost should you choose. I realize with your stipend, and with all the features we have, you may not be able to get it all at once but you can get it in time as a subscriber.

With that being said we have definitely heard your frustrations around Game Updates and the value you feel as a subscriber. I don't have details today but we are continuing to look at options moving forward to make sure that you don't feel that way.

-eric



You are mistaken, it was posted on the Launcher that subscribers would have free Cathar race, one free name change, and one free guild change, and free customization on characters. So you better go back and check your data, because YOUR LIED AND NOW YOU ARE BACK PEDDLING SO WE DO NOT GET WHAT WE PAID FOR. As far as subscribers getting access to all content, this update/expansion was the Cartel Expansion that we paid for, so this is a BREACH OF CONTRACT for all subscribers. So tell me we are wrong now.
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05.18.2013 , 06:09 PM | #504
Yep, where's my free Cathar, name change, etc?
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LordArtemis
05.18.2013 , 06:16 PM | #505
One free name change for subs.
One free appearance session for subs.
One free race unlock for subs.
Reduction of collection costs or a way to earn limited coins engaging in in-game activities for subs.

This would go a long way, IMO, toward satisfying the community.

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branmakmuffin
05.18.2013 , 06:20 PM | #506
Quote: Originally Posted by OpenSorce View Post
Yep, where's my free Cathar, name change, etc?
Save your CCs rather than blowing them on packs and you'll get all that at no cost beyond your sub fee.

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Shoogli
05.18.2013 , 06:22 PM | #507
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Save your CCs rather than blowing them on packs and you'll get all that at no cost beyond your sub fee.
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branmakmuffin
05.18.2013 , 06:24 PM | #508
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In 2014...
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05.18.2013 , 06:26 PM | #509
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I like sarcasm, you clearly like sarcasm. Let's be sarcastic together.
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05.18.2013 , 06:29 PM | #510
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