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Character Name Purge with Folks not Playing Anymore

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Character Name Purge with Folks not Playing Anymore

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ELRunninW
06.27.2013 , 10:42 AM | #211
taking away my name, active or not, is an identity theft. I have a legacy that will leave for ever long after I am gone.

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Arlon_Nabarlly
06.27.2013 , 10:53 AM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by ELRunninW View Post
taking away my name, active or not, is an identity theft. I have a legacy that will leave for ever long after I am gone.
Legacy isn't unique anymore, that's not even what we are talking about. But thanks for being reasonable.

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DarthTHC
06.27.2013 , 11:01 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
That's right my friend. I am completely capable of acknowledging idealism, while maintaining a practical and pragmatic outlook that some requests by MMO players are simply more trouble then they are worth to address. This topic is one of those cases, as far as I am concerned.

I know.. that's complicated for some to grasp. But that is not my problem, that is their problem.

There is not a fair and appropriate method to deal with the OPs desire. There are plenty of unfair, and inappropriate ways to do so. So from a pragmatic standpoint.. this is not a can of worms that should be opened and spread all over the table as far as I am concerned.

MMO life is like real life... it's a cupcake. So suck it up, and move on IMO. Names are first come first serve (except where forced consolidations required a controlled over-ride). Personally, while I would benefit personally to access to a few very common names.... I am not willing to see names stripped from US service personnel who are overseas whose only fault is that they are serving over seas and cannot access their account while serving their country. Yes my friend.... I am not selfish enough to want that sort of silliness just for a name.

Besides..your premise is flawed. There is absolutely no way to tell if a player has left the game for good, or why. So there is no way to administer name seizures fairly. The only way to address the "gone forever" player held names is if the player voluntarily gives up their name as part of leaving the game for good. Guess what.. players CAN do that today.. just delete the character.

AND.. on a strictly practical view.... freeing up a name by force, just to let it reenter the naming pool, does not guarantee the OP, or you, or me, or anyone that they will gain the name they want. So the entire concept is doomed from the get-go.

As to your snarky statement about QoL... I am on the record many times about seeing continued QoL improvements in the game. But this is not a QoL topic... it's a special interest topic... for a minority of players. It in no way improves quality of life in game play. Your snark is completely misplaced here, which I find to be an unusual thing for you in my experience.
So your first 3 paragraphs pretty much say the developers shouldn't ever take on anything that emotionally challenged players might find to be emotionally challenging. Like maybe SGRA?

Then you go on to mention US Service members serving overseas. I would guess they are a tiny fraction of the players who might see their names removed. They're certainly a much smaller contingent than the over 1.5 million former players that left the game after buying / trying it. I would also imagine they are intellectually and emotionally secure enough that they can handle it.

You are right, there is no way to know if a player has left the game for good. There's no way for Blizzard or Turbine to know if I've left WoW or LotRO for good. I sure as hell am too lazy to go back and delete my characters to free up names for others, even though I'd like them to be freed up.

There are rules that can be made to compromise, such as no character having logged into the account for X amount of time (as one example of the rules they might implement). What's the "X"? Dunno. BWEA have telemetry to base that decision on. I trust them to make a good decision there.

An active player having the name they want, rather than seeing it on some level 1 that was created in December 2011 and never logged in since then, absolutely impacts quality of the gaming experience.

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Andryah
06.27.2013 , 11:54 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
So your first 3 paragraphs pretty much say the developers shouldn't ever take on anything that emotionally challenged players might find to be emotionally challenging. Like maybe SGRA?
It's much simpler and more straightforward then this.

You advocate taking something away from another player on the pretense that it is a QoL for another player.

I disagree on two counts:

1) Character names are not qualify of life in an MMO, they are an emotional desire to "some" players. To others, they treat them as an entitlement, which a directly disagree with. To most players, names are nice, and when you lose one you use the naming conventions of the game to gain a very similar one (which is completely doable in most cases), or you pick a new one and move on with actual game play and real QoL factors as they patch them in.

2) The level 1 character rolled in December 2011 hyperbole is just that.. hyperbole to make your point by extremes. No one in this forum has any direct knowledge as to the status of any account or any character on any account. So this is just rhetoric disguised as reason. Besides.. it has nothing to do with quality of life in any way in terms of game play.

Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Then you go on to mention US Service members serving overseas. I would guess they are a tiny fraction of the players who might see their names removed.
I does not matter in the least. The point remains.. they are making real life sacrifices on behalf of their fellow citizens and should not be subjected to any sort of silly predation of anything by anyone sitting comfy in their home out of harms way. They have completely legitimate reasons to not access the game, yet be immune from some yahoo at home taking their name in their absence.. for no other reason then because they want to take the name. I'll not yield one iota on this point.

Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
I sure as hell am too lazy to go back and delete my characters to free up names for others, even though I'd like them to be freed up.
In other words.. you admit that you are part of the problem, for no other reason then you are too lazy or thoughtless to do a solid for other players in another MMO you have left for good, but deleting your characters on the way out the door. Yet you want a game developer to mop up after your own laziness and lack of care or concern for other players who still enjoy the game you abandoned. I know you well enough to be more inclined to believe you are just keeping your options open to return to said abandoned games later, which is why you did not delete your characters when you left. In which case, you are entitled to your character names when you return.. just like everyone else.
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Noblis
06.27.2013 , 11:54 AM | #215
My Mara had the name "Nirrti" from early start (game launch) til my first forced server move.
Someone took Nirrti and I had to find a new name.
At the second forced server move, someone took THAT name.
For my 1 free name change I tried over 15 uncommom, non game related, non entertainment
related names. I finally needed to create a name.
I really don't think the used names are all being used by active accounts. There really should be
an unused names purge. How? I can't say without looking at their acct stats.
I could see the problems with dupe names: someone sends YOU mail/gear/creds and some
Hampton Wick with the same name get the loot and denies it later. Much anger.
The devs are gamers. You would think they could understand how players go emo over their names.
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ELRunninW
06.27.2013 , 11:55 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlon_Nabarlly View Post
Legacy isn't unique anymore, that's not even what we are talking about. But thanks for being reasonable.
I am being reasonable when it comes to what I need, thank you very much, and you did not consider my unique name is part of my legacy and that is what I am referring to. <facepalm>

If I chose to walk away from the game for any period of time, I expect to be able to come back any time and pickup from where I have left.

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Graydon
06.27.2013 , 12:01 PM | #217
I am very much in favor of this.

Any character inactive for over 1 year should be name wiped.

BW did it 2 different times with transfers that punished ACTIVE subscribers

I personally would not expect to see a name saved from a toon I have not played in over a year. No matter what the game or character level.

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Arlon_Nabarlly
06.27.2013 , 12:02 PM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
So your first 3 paragraphs pretty much say the developers shouldn't ever take on anything that emotionally challenged players might find to be emotionally challenging. Like maybe SGRA?
LOL that's a pretty good point.

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KimbeFett
06.27.2013 , 12:03 PM | #219
I have a new suggestion

Why not just be creative and come up with a unique name? Don't let my Display Name fool you; I have never had a name problem because I like to use my imagination and come up with a unique name rather than falling into the trap of using common names. If you are using a common name it just means you like the other person using it don't have the creativity to come up with a name and are instead using someone elses creative idea.

If someone else has had the same creative idea as you, you weren't being creative enough!

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DarthTHC
06.27.2013 , 12:11 PM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
2) The level 1 character rolled in December 2011 hyperbole is just that.. hyperbole to make your point by extremes. No one in this forum has any direct knowledge as to the status of any account or any character on any account. So this is just rhetoric disguised as reason. Besides.. it has nothing to do with quality of life in any way in terms of game play.
Oh, but we do. During the last round of merges, BWEA implemented logic that went beyond creation date of the character to determine who "wins" the name. Those criteria at a minimum included account activity / subscription status. I know this because of the manner in which I got some of my names returned to me during that last merge.

We also for a fact know that some names, maybe not WHICH names, but a large number of names, are out there sitting on characters whose accounts were abandoned over a year ago.


Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
In other words.. you admit that you are part of the problem, for no other reason then you are too lazy or thoughtless to do a solid for other players in another MMO you have left for good, but deleting your characters on the way out the door.
Or there's an alternative to that line of thinking and the insult you so subtly levied in it. On my way out, I didn't know if it was permanent or not. Heck, I still don't. I might someday want to play WoW or LotRO or even Asheron's Call again. I left and returned to WoW and LotRO several times. Deleting the characters on the way out would have been foolish.

Since I still don't know if I'd ever want to play them again, I still wouldn't delete the characters. Nor do I think it's realistic to expect players who've been gone for 18+ months to re-install your game and in the case of WoW renew a month's subscription just to delete a character to free up a name. That's stupid.

What I would happily accept in all my former MMOs, though, is for the game provider to have a policy that if you log in zero characters on your account over X period of time (6 months? 12? 18? let BWEA figure it out), your characters' names go back into the general pool of availability. Now that would be a brilliant feature.