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What is the point of my $15 a month?

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What is the point of my $15 a month?

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branmakmuffin
05.12.2013 , 12:41 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by KennethHoover View Post
This game is F2P. They are going to nickel and dime you every chance they get, even if you are a subscriber.
No, BWEA is not going to nickel-and-dime subscribers, they are going to do what they can to convince subscribers to nickel-and-dime themselves. Because there is nothing on the CM that subscribers need in order to play all adventuring content.

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DarthTHC
05.12.2013 , 12:42 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You have the right to complain. What does it gain you though.. to complain?

It's not like Bioware is going to stop everything they are doing and put their best 25 people on your complaint just so you stop complaining.

While some people complain just to vent.. others actually think complaining means the developers will drop everything and do what you complain about.

Some complain because they want validation to their complaints and want to gather a posse around a complaint.

Some people are just complainers.. about just about everything.

For some.. complaining makes it worse for themselves.. since they feed off their own complaints...the more they complain.. the madder they get and the more they hate the game.

TL;DR: complaining does not make the game better.
Seems to me there were a crapton of complaints about the lack of a group finder tool at one point...

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CosmicKat
05.12.2013 , 12:46 PM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Vis-Tecum View Post
this sums up the maturity of gamers very well
I would say the standard Spin Team reply of "If you don't like it, take your toys and leave" does as well.

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Andryah
05.12.2013 , 12:48 PM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Seems to me there were a crapton of complaints about the lack of a group finder tool at one point...
There still are.

There is also no evidence that complaints on the forum moved them to put group finder functionality in. It was probably on their list of things to add, before they even launched.

Most product teams (regardless of product) listen to constructive feedback, they work their bug report database, they read and review suggestions for improvements and changes, they assemble and use alpha and beta play test teams. They read forum based complaints for sure.. but even you would I think agree that many such complaints are worthy of some salt and nothing else.

I've been on the inside of business that deals with customer feedback and complaints on products. Irrational and corner case complaints are generally discarded as just that.. irrational, or corner cases. You can't address irrational and you cannot please 100% of your customers.. so corner cases are admired only for what they are.
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jason_ralph
05.12.2013 , 12:58 PM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
There still are.

There is also no evidence that complaints on the forum moved them to put group finder functionality in. It was probably on their list of things to add, before they even launched.

Most product teams (regardless of product) listen to constructive feedback, they work their bug report database, they read and review suggestions for game improvements and changes, they assemble and use alfpha beta play test teams. They read forum based complaints for sure.. but even you would I think agree that many such complaints are worthy of some salt and nothing else.

I've been on the inside of business that deals with customer feedback and complaints on products. Irrational and corner case complaints are generally discarded as just that.. irrational, or corner cases. You can't address irrational and you cannot please 100% of your customers.. so corner cases are admired only for what they are.
There's a difference between complaining and constructive criticism. One is generally handled in a immature fashion, in which the one receiving it, is made to feel the size of a Lego person. The other, if handled correctly, expresses ones opinion without insulting the other. It enables both parties to feel heard and validated, at the same enabling a positive discourse. The ability to disagree without the leaving the conversation feeling the size of a Lego person, is one of the few skills very few possess.
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DarthTHC
05.12.2013 , 01:32 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
There still are.

There is also no evidence that complaints on the forum moved them to put group finder functionality in. It was probably on their list of things to add, before they even launched.

Most product teams (regardless of product) listen to constructive feedback, they work their bug report database, they read and review suggestions for improvements and changes, they assemble and use alpha and beta play test teams. They read forum based complaints for sure.. but even you would I think agree that many such complaints are worthy of some salt and nothing else.

I've been on the inside of business that deals with customer feedback and complaints on products. Irrational and corner case complaints are generally discarded as just that.. irrational, or corner cases. You can't address irrational and you cannot please 100% of your customers.. so corner cases are admired only for what they are.
You either weren't here or you're making that stuff up.

I was here. The devs had absolutely zero intention of ever implementing a legitimate groupfinder tool. They thought their half-arsed attempt at a LFG flag in the /who dialog would be plenty. Hubris and lack of learning from other games coupled with a complete ignorance of everything testers told them led them to this decision.

Then, post-release, when they heard loud and clear not just from testers but now also from the masses that the game needed a groupfinder, and people actually left the game citing difficulty in finding groups, only THEN did they decide to put one in.

Seem to me there's also an awful lot of complaints about Bolster... which they're also looking into / scrambling to fix.

Your theory that complaining does nothing is a failed theory.

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OddballEasyEight
05.12.2013 , 01:41 PM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
This is all true. What I NEED is a PVP system that works and isn't broken. They are not satisfying this need.

I am entitled to a working PVP system. "We'll fix it when we can" is not sufficient.

I used to be the same way. It's $15.... it's worth the price of 2 meals at a fast food joint. It's a no-brainer. Well, that was before the PVP system became so completely broken and horked up. The problem now is that I can get more enjoyment from a couple of mushroom and swiss burgers than I can from the game. And after having played this game non-stop since December 16th, 2011... that's somewhat heartbreaking to say.

Oh well...
You NEED a PvP system that works and isn't broken? Then i suggest you get into competetive sports in real life because every MMO ive ever heard of has had PvP that was broken at one time or another.
Its called bugs, and they take a while to fix.
You could always stop paying the company money until they fix it, but paying them money does not entitle you to a game without bugs.
You pay for the right to play the game with full access to all features. You are getting that. If the features happen to be bugged, then that doesnt matter since you are paying for the access to those features "as is".

Unsub until they fix it if you feel that you are getting nothing of worth for those 15$ a month if the PvP doesnt work.

(im assuming here that you are someone that does nothing but play PvP, in which case you should be used to things like this by now from other MMO's)
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CaptRavenous
05.12.2013 , 01:43 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by kanaughty View Post
I keep hearing about new features being added like a new race and a barbershop, but they are not included in my subscription? My $15 a month is paying for you to develop these new fun features, so they should be included. It really makes me feel ripped off because $15 a month is a lot more than $0 a month. The cartel market should purely be for things that you haven't been developing to add to the game. The cartel market should be for only free to play people to have to use. My $15 a month should include any new races because we are paying you to develop them. So I don't get why you are nickle and diming us when we are paying you $15 a month. I could understand if our subscription was $5 a month, but it is $15 and my $15 a month includes any new races and any simple barbershop features in World of Warcraft. Please consider that we as subscribers are paying you to develop all these new fun things. And if we have to pay extra for fun then why are we paying the big amount of $15 a month?
You're right. You are being ripped off.

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DalrisThane
05.12.2013 , 02:02 PM | #199
Mods, please delete my (this) post. Shouldn't have posted here.
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Primarch_PWnD
05.12.2013 , 03:37 PM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I've been on the inside of business that deals with customer feedback and complaints on products. Irrational and corner case complaints are generally discarded as just that.. irrational, or corner cases. You can't address irrational and you cannot please 100% of your customers.. so corner cases are admired only for what they are.
I bet you have been on the inside of "business that deals with customer feedback complaints". Mysteriously, all those posts get deleted.

So if what you're saying is correct, they discard the extreme of the spectrum. This would mean the people in the opposite corner are also "admired for what they are", right?

(Unless, of course, they're still on "the inside of business that deals with customer feedback and complaints" and are just doing their job.....poorly)
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