There is no good reasons why subscribers have to pay cartel coins in 2.1.

Then my post isn't about you.

You are right about future profit is important but wrong about needing to please people to ensure future profit. Without anti-trust laws etc, microsoft could probably screw its customers harder and still increase its profit.

It's not even close being a monopoly. It strives on cutting price and not being sole provider of a good.

I haven't been playing for about two months now, but last time I checked, every dye was available on the Trading Post or had a chance of dropping randomly. Did they add new dyes? As for 'no barber shop', you can buy kits that allow you to recustomize your character for gems.

Also, and this is the actually important bit, GW2 has no subscription fee. And you can convert in-game currency to gems, so you can buy directly from the gem store without ever paying a cent of your real money.

Neither has SW:ToR in case you missed the whole free to play change.
And you can buy everything that is on the Cartel Market via the GTM without spending a Cent of your real Money too.

Somehow I fail to see the difference.

umm there is a difference, there are alot of things that subs have that cant NEVER BE UNLOCKED as a free to play player, GW2 get you everything without restriction.


GW2= buy to play, buy the game once and everything is available to you without restrictions

swtor = freemunin model, you pay a subs to gain access to ALL AVAILABLE CONTENT without restriction, while f2p have a lot of restrictions that is a not so subtle way to force you to sub up if you want to be a long term player and there are some locks cant be unlocked even if you want to buy it.


OT: these threads are ...wow. either alot of you guys are totally shelter and never live, work and witness change things in RL or youre just being spoiled.

i said this a lot of times and i said it a again : your sub is totally irrelevant...and have little to no impact on this game anymore with the cartel market now. in fact, if we assumed everyday, at least 1 person at least buy 1 cartel pack, then within a couple of days, any unsub account lost lost will be recouped. you guys who just pay a measly 15 dollars per month have a extreme over sense of importance for yourself. as long the cartel market keep pumping out really appealing junk to sell to the masses, you are expendable account that BW and EA can lose without worrying themselves to sleep at night. you know this as well as i do. please get over yourselves,ok?

We could argue all day about what we think of their business practices, but they are certainly not a monopoly.

It's true that one person unsubbing has no appreciable impact, but eventually people quitting (sub and Preferred; F2P quitting has almost no impact because they've never paid a dime) will obviously cause the game to fail. If that weren't the case, then every MMO ever made would still be in existence.

A little corection - yes it has a barber shop, an item from the cash shop that allows you to change your appearance and gender. It costs 350 gems, or 8-11 gold (if converted, really depends on the current ratio gold/gems).
On other hand, gw2 is sub free, so putting this item in the cash shop is totally understandable.

Edit: But you should not compare swtor with gw2. Compare it to wow for example, because after all, swtor is sub based game, like wow. And in wow subs get everything for ingame currency, including all races, barber shop, etc. etc.

So it's not true what others have said, that you "buy GW2 and get access to everything?"

I bought TSW when it went B2P and it was stated that buyers got access to everything currently in the game at the time of B2P conversion (with a few disclaimers), not that you would have unlimited access to every future update/content addition/feature/expansion/whatever.

Well, the difference is that in GW2 everyone is free to play and has full access to every feature*, whereas in SWTOR, we have both subs and F2P. Yet, here subs get charged additionally, whereas in GW2, you only get charged for whatever it is that you want to buy. (Such as recustomization kits.)

And we don't know yet if there will be a way to sell access to barbershop features on the GTN, or do we? (Honest question.)

Look, I didn't argue because I'm upset because of this, only because I don't think GW2 is a good comparison. Personally, I never expected them not to charge for such a desirable feature. I don't think it's right, but it's also not really important enough for me to rage about.

*Edit: Since I just read the post above mine - by feature I'm referring to gameplay and such, which is restricted in SWTOR's F2P option (Warzones, FPs etc). Expect most things that have to do with appearance to be in the gem store, yes. Nothing that might get you better stats, though. Basically, their gem store functions like the CM does here.

SW:ToR was subbased like WoW.
Now it is Freemium like LotR and similar games.
Also I might be wrong but I don´t thing an WoW sub gets you everything ,stuff like race change, name change vanity items . . . , cost a fair share of money.