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amcdoog
08.16.2013 , 06:55 AM | #741
Quote: Originally Posted by Tachenko_Yuri View Post
they both moved up so one was as good as another. and the insult came around after the kickvote.

Of course, if that reason wasn't good enough, could always use the reason of him pulling before tank (me) on 90% of the mobs...
It's BT, there is no reason to kick people for pulling ahead of you....it is not like you can truly tank. Marauders also get 2 good defensive CDs pretty early, so he in fact may have been able to resist more damage. On the other hand about the bonus boss, it is not something to kick people over skipping, and I still don't understand why you vote-kicked the marauder instead if the sorc. Needing on that piece for spite was also quite rude. Just relax and don't work yourself up over a level 10 FP.
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Tachenko_Yuri
08.16.2013 , 07:46 AM | #742
Quote: Originally Posted by Michirure View Post
of course, keeping such a strict order is absolutely necessary in a lvl 10 2-man-flashpoint. You have no taunt nor stance, nothing made you tank except your ability to check "tank" in groupfinder. Every tank companion at lvl 10 can tank better than any player "tank". So you could just get over your special snowflake syndrome and be not a douche.

Though, I agree with you, it *may be* considered impolite to not wait till you, the not-yet-but-soon-to-be-tank attacked first. But given your attitude, and since it is a no brainer flashpoint, where you don't need a healing or tanking class at all.. get over yourself, seriously.
yeah you're totally right. good point not to teach them how stuff's done straight away, specially when in hammer station there's that mob that, if pulled wrongly, or the wrong people pull, can , and will wipe the whole group.

p.s. when no one gets away from asara in her cyclone attack and all get swept, people don't need heals, no sir
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Michirure
08.16.2013 , 08:49 AM | #743
Quote: Originally Posted by Tachenko_Yuri View Post
yeah you're totally right. good point not to teach them how stuff's done straight away, specially when in hammer station there's that mob that, if pulled wrongly, or the wrong people pull, can , and will wipe the whole group.

p.s. when no one gets away from asara in her cyclone attack and all get swept, people don't need heals, no sir
You were not in Hammer Station. Actually people learn quite fast what kills them, but that requires this given factor. It is not met in Esseles or Black Talon by people pulling before the wannabe "tank". And, from a long experienced healer and tank, the healer's job is to heal inevitable damage. It's not his or her job to babysit lazy people parking in dangerous situations. You don't need a special class for the starting flashpoints. If there was a requirement for lets say a tank, you were given tankstance and taunts at lvl 10, see?

The only thing you "taught" was that you're a ninjalooter. I'd have booted you right away for that, if not earlier for your obnoxious attitude and finished the flashpoint with the "freebies" you so generously bash.

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sparkscion
08.16.2013 , 01:35 PM | #744
I usually check for experience and gear at the first. I joined on war games on a lvl 39 scoundrel who was decently geared. Finished the introductions and out of the blue one guy asks "Can we do the bonus here??? Plzzzzz". . To top it off, the other 2 use all kinds of emotes and signs to support him. I tried asking them if they were new to the game. All respond saying that they done it before, its easy and stuff.

The group was supposed to have 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps. But we ended up with 2 tanks, 1 dps and 1 hybrid healer. I check the item equips. The shadow tank is using Str equips and the healer is in complete Aim. The guardian was geared for his class.

We start the fp and i ask for the tank to call out CCs and Los. They say "Screw it, we are over geared". And we end up kissing the ground in under 5 mins.

I ask them again to CC the bots after the turrents. The healer has no clue of CC. Everyone was between lvl 40-43. The mobs were not dying fast enough and we got rolled. I get blamed for low dps output. I make it a point to ask one of the tanks to tank. Both were using guard on the smugglers. I ask the guardian to switch to shii cho form for more damage output. He tells me that he is comfortable using guard stance. Again we rush in, use CC for only 1 min and get rolled again. The healer comments that he thought the CC lasts until the mob is damaged. Apparently he had confused tranquilize with stun droid.

They decide to try again and i decide to go with it. Repairs on lower level tend to hurt alot less as compared to higher levels. The shadow has a 'epiphany' and decide that it would be safer to stealth across the bots. I said that it wont be possible cause the bots might have improved stealth detection. after a minute of debate, the guardian gives in and said that he will follow us. We get to the first wave of bots and the cover is blown. They are again at the bring of dying and i use disappearing act after the tank and healer go down cause i did not want to die. The other tank begins flaming that i left him to die, i glitched to avoid damage and loose aggro. I leave the group and they begin swearing that i am a chicken who does not know how to finish it. I stay silent, re queue again and finish war games with a different group who knew the fp.
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TACeMossie
08.18.2013 , 07:19 AM | #745
Vanguard at about level 27 stacking will mods because they give more endurance
Level 40 sentinel stacking Endurance, Defense and Crit as to have maximum survivability through watchman burns.
And my favourite...
Obviously geared and specced (in greens) for tanking shadow, who swapped to a DPS stance because I got tank role, and then spammed taunts the whole time.

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AlrikFassbauer
08.18.2013 , 07:39 AM | #746
Quote: Originally Posted by Michirure View Post
You were not in Hammer Station. Actually people learn quite fast what kills them, but that requires this given factor. It is not met in Esseles or Black Talon by people pulling before the wannabe "tank". And, from a long experienced healer and tank, the healer's job is to heal inevitable damage. It's not his or her job to babysit lazy people parking in dangerous situations. You don't need a special class for the starting flashpoints. If there was a requirement for lets say a tank, you were given tankstance and taunts at lvl 10, see?

The only thing you "taught" was that you're a ninjalooter. I'd have booted you right away for that, if not earlier for your obnoxious attitude and finished the flashpoint with the "freebies" you so generously bash.
I'm totally with Michirure in this case.

People usually need a time frame to learn things.

And - to "teach" people the Trinity in an level 10 FP is like letting an 10 year old boy learn how to drive a car. In RL.
Sure, he'll need it for real cars several years later - but for a Kettcar ???

In Esseles / Black Talon, the usual mistakes can easily be overlooked - and politely explained. I did the Esseles often enough without having a tank in my group (not using GF for it), so I do know that the Holy Trinity is just unneccessary for the Esseles / Black Talon.

It's an Training area, nothing more.

You could have explained to them what's an more effective way instead of just punishing them.

In the end, effectivity is all that counts. Nothing more.
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Prototypemind
08.18.2013 , 10:03 AM | #747
GF just lost itself a tank for OPs last night. It was honestly pretty smooth going overall until Op IX. There were some deaths before that, full wipe on the first datacore room, but literally none during the boss fights. We did have issues with the other tank not getting that when we swap on Kel'sara he needs to pick up the other boss, but we made it through. We hit Op IX and it all goes to hell. One of the healers was quite a bit off considering his gearing but it was survivable. What wasn't survivable though was the other tank not listening when over and over and over the taunt order was explained and yet he didn't listen. Taunting groups off me and leaving no way for me to pick up the additional adds coming for the channeler, not picking up his initial group and forcing me to pull them, then try and hold off the next wave with force pull and overload until I could taunt again because there was clearly something he wasn't getting; we had a bad time.

The ONE time we made it through to get Op IX up people's circles were left up and apparently the better-geared heals went to sleep and it was game over.

I feel like I either need to give it up and stick to just filling in for other guild runs or I'm going to become so repetitive in trying to make sure everyone understands the fight that it's going to be miserable for any new kids running with me.

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Auribiel
08.18.2013 , 08:16 PM | #748
Quote: Originally Posted by Tachenko_Yuri View Post
working up to our boss was a standard issue mara-jumping-before the tank kind of thing, and heal that saw fit not to heal until I was like 20% or less of my total health
You could do the BT as DD (level 10) without any heal, so I don't see why you are blaming anyone here?

So to answer your question: Dudes like you are the bane of SWTOR.

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Pathlight-
08.19.2013 , 06:48 PM | #749
Quote: Originally Posted by Auribiel View Post
You could do the BT as DD (level 10) without any heal, so I don't see why you are blaming anyone here?

So to answer your question: Dudes like you are the bane of SWTOR.
I completely agree. This guy is the perfect example of the douche that ruins a flashpoint.

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ekimmak
08.19.2013 , 07:37 PM | #750
Ok, I'm not sure about who was at fault here, so bear with me.

Queue my Powertech up for GF, and he's a DPS. But, I forgot to uncheck it, so when it pops for Colicoid Wargames, and I'm the tank, I'm a little worried. But, hey, I'm next to the skill respect guy, and I'm armourmech, so I queue my companions to craft me tank gear, respect to tank, and head to the area. I mention that I'm not normally a tank on this character, but have respecced, have tank gear being crafted, and know how to tank with a vanguard, so it won't be any problem.

When I arrive, I find that someone's already started the turret. on their own. They die, and the Colicoids then begin wandering into the hangar area, killing us straight after respawn. It's pointed out that perhaps that starting the turrets wasn't a good idea, and someone else says (one of the dps, I think) that "there's no point without a real tank". He quits, a new (and much higher level) dps joins, and we finish the whole flashpoint with no trouble whatsoever.

Who was at fault here? Should I have quit immediately to allow a proper tank to join? Or was he just someone who's bound for the ignore list?
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