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mustopak
06.27.2014 , 12:36 AM | #3591
Hooo boy.... where do I even begin with this one. This is gonna be a little TL;DR.

So I was talking to my bruh then got an FP pop, "Flashpoint in Progress" so okay, HM Czerka Labs. Zoned in as Scrapper Scoundrel and they were at the first Droid Boss fight. Dropped down and saw three people in the same guild. Guadian Tank and Scoundrel healer in pink/purple dye baby! So I thought, ah, former DPS must be DC'ed. Or kicked. I get "please get the adds" from the healer and it made me lean towards "kicked".

So we start the fight, water becomes electric, adds pop up, and I noticed I was tanking the boss. I agrodump'd, and before I even got to the last adds, I died. Because I was tanking both adds and boss. GEARED40kHP!Healer died shortly due to inability to outheal. We gave it another try, and I said "please don't let me tank" aka taunt the damn boss. Wiped again. Healer died first. Third try, I noticed that neither I or the other Sent DPS have Slow Release Medpacks on us, and heals are so very scarce. I think her rotation was SRMP > Diagnostic Scan > Upper Hand > Emergency Medpack > UW Medicine > Emergency Medpack. And guess what. The whole rotation is only for the tank. We only receive heals when she uses Kolto Cloud. This is very, very rich. I was screaming "HELPME!" to my bruh. So the former DPS ragequit.

I was typing on how to properly Scoundrel Heal, was quite the wall of text, but before I finished they pulled the trash mob set. Screw it then. Sent DPS accidentally pulled the other set of trash mobs and we barely go through due to the Sent DPS being half-decent in his job. The tank let the Healer facetank the mobs cause tunnel vision and regretfully the healer died. lol.

We get to Chief Zokar aka potential-one-shot-undergear-people-rocket-guy. So I thought to myself, this is gonna be EVEN richer. Surprisingly the fight went well with me tanking half the time ofc. Fortunately the only one targeted by the rocket is me so I saved the healer's rear cause I've gotten used to evading the red circle of doom. Boss went down quick. At this moment I just want to finish the FP quick and get outta there...

The last boss also went smoothly with me tanking half the time again. I think the tank is so used doing the SM version. I could safely nominate this as one of the epitome of "New Group Finder Changes Attracting Bads" list. I'm so tired of all the bads I have to carry in GF each time I PUG. I don't mind newbies, but bads are another story.
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grrrly
06.27.2014 , 12:54 AM | #3592
Quote: Originally Posted by jrwellworth View Post
When we got to raptus, he dropped a underworld set piece, a head or maybe gloves I cannot recall. It was needed and won by a dps, who I had gear checked at the start of the raid and was in full 4 piece dread forged with df left side. Now, we had people in the raid with NO set bonus, and even a fresh dinged 55 with 23k hp and crap for gear, people that really needed the drops. When I confronted him in voice comms, this is what this veteran raider, with full DF said to us. "Duh I needed it, I have companions and alts don't I ? God!"
I was in a TFB 16 man pug recently, the raid leader and his guild mates were in full Dread Forged with set bonus but there were a few new 55s in the group with terrible gear. The leader and his mates were needing on everything. They were running the show so it wasn't worth the bother of calling them out on it. But I just don't understand why they even would have wanted those drops - I'm in full Dread Forged with a few Dread Master pieces, and due to an abundance of comms, old gear and randomised drops from raids, my alts and companions definitely don't need 162 gear. And if I did need that stuff on an alt, I would pug with that alt instead of taking a toon that is already geared.

I saw someone with a 180 mainhand need on an Arkanian mainhand the other night. They were called out on it and said "Oh yes but I do need it, I'm modifying my light saber". Huh? That made so little sense that nothing further was said.

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BobFredJohn
06.27.2014 , 06:58 AM | #3593
On the subject of ninja tanking.

My sorc just hit 55 and I am currently farming basics to gear up. Run of assault on tython I was grouped with sin 37k, mara 39.6k and pt 38k, with my sorc slightly higher than 21k. Willpower earpiece drops with alacrity and crit. All the group needs on it. I call them all out, but none of them answer. Next item drop is another earpiece with willpower and accuracy (useless for my healer sorc) but also alacrity, so I need again. Everyone else needs to, at which point I leave the group, whats the point doing a gearing run with 3 ninja's?

Im then flamed over my whisper by 2 of the 3 about how noob I am, leaving over a couple of 142 pieces. I point out that they were both better than what I had already and that no-one else had any use for them (I checked, the sin had 168 earpiece).

I was then told to l2p and get better gear. Now where am I meant to get basic/elite/ultimate comms without playing endgame content. I point this out to the mara, asking them what gear rating they were when they first reached 55. People always seem to assume that when someone hits 55 they suddenly get a stack of elite comms to spend, they seem to forget that everyone starts somewhere and stuff that "I needed because its worth 7k on gtn" may actually be useful to another player.

What I also dont get is when people tell me "well use your geared alt to collect stuff from 55 HM FP for your sorc" as if its normal to be a ninja looter on my sniper or jugg and when im asked I then reply with "its for an alt." It seems ninja looters see it as a perfectly acceptable way to gear up alts, thereby meaning there is no reason for taking stuff from tfp.
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ZentheSecond
06.27.2014 , 08:10 AM | #3594
Quote: Originally Posted by Adaliaya View Post
Tanks who forget small mobs are familiar especially on lowby Flashpoints... I have tanked rangeds on Mando Raiders boarding party so many times its nice surprise if someone takes them off me for once

However, I don't like Tanks who "teach DPS" by leaving them to die. I was on Mando Raiders SM with not only one but 2
chainpulling DPS. On challenging corridor pull Tank stopped in front of mobs (after DPS had leaped in)
It's not hard to guess DPS died fast. I (scoundrel healer) survived barely thanks to lucky level up. IMO that was just rude especially because he didn't give DPS single verbal varning and based on achievement they were only new
I am so one of those tanks that teaches via death. But I usually say something along the lines of the following first before;
First time warning; "Tank pulls the packs not a Dps please"
Second time warning; "I told you before the tank starts the fights, we are vastly less squishy"
Third warning; "Next time you pull, your tanking the pack I'll sit back here and watch".

By the third warning I have already whispered the healer and told them my intention, many of them get it. It's rude to pull ahead of the tank, and a tank is a lot easier to heal then a Dps. So they tend to go with it.

Back on the subject of the thread;
Been a while since I ran a GF FP, but I had a HM Cad pop on my Sin. Think the group was a Dps Sin, Dps Merc and healing Op (might have been a healing Sorc). So we go through, and I notice the Dark Charge on the Sin. I think nothing of it, as plenty of Sin's lately seem to lvl with Dark Charge for the damage reduction or even do dailies with it when they lack gear (which he did). So went on my merry way chain pulling all the live long day with the idle comment to the healer near the start "yell at me if I am going to quick". Before the first boss I notice something amusing, the Sin Dps has Dark Ward on. So I focus target him during the first boss for amusement sake, and he is a little of everything.

Like... Seriously. He used Death Field, had Dupicilty procs, and dark ward. Little from all the trees, I just shrugged it and moved on... He did not try to act as a tank, and was all around very silent needing only on willpower gear and mats. At the end I mentioned he might want to just pick one skill tree and stick to it, whether or no he ever will is beyond me.
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Mubrak
06.27.2014 , 08:47 AM | #3595
Just managed to wipe in Czerka Core Meltdown SM.

FP started okay, 4 dds. My 36k Scoundrel, 39k Gunslinger, 28k Commando and 25k Gunslinger who told us right from the start that he's new here. 39k took the lead, we ran at a pace most knights/warriors couldn't even manage. Not much time to explain stuff for the new one, though it should be obvious what was going on.

Then we got to the desert boss.A short pause, and i was just about to explain the boss when 39k wrote: "let's just burn him down, no pulling." The 25k GS again wrote that he's here for the first time. I just managed to write "after a while there will be sandstorms" when the 39k started the fight.

Now... This tactic might work when you have an overgeared group, a healer, or someone bothers to use the healing-thingies. As it was, I ended up tanking quite fast, tried to reach at least the med station as well as active generators that were in range of the turret-dds. At some point I got stunned, didn't reach the med-station in time, and the commando died of sandstorm-damage, the slingers were still holding their ground, the 25k must have used a medkit at least. Instead of popping stealth or dodge I tried to reach the next med-station, the boss rampaged, and I died as well. The 39k slinger got his attention and fell next, followed by the 25k.

After the wipe I took the time to finish my sentence "to stop the dot damage pull the boss to the green glowing generator and let him destroy it, also use the med-stations." 39k meant "no, that eats up too much dps, let's burn him down" my response "dying eats up dps too" just got a response "newbs" and he opened the fight again. At least this time commando and the 25k positioned themselves next to med stations, and used them, so we managed it the second time.

The rest of the FP was uneventful, although 39k made a point of destroying the nodes without bothering about the security-adds or the placement of the blue circles below him, so we ended up fighting the vigilant with 4 adds in midst of a lightning field, we still managed it, not least because the 25k slinger became our healer and diligently used med-stations


3 things.

For the elite players out there who deign to run a flashpoint with newbs: facerolling a flashpoint works best when everyone is overgeared and knows what he does. When there is an undergeared player who says right from the start that he's new here, it's not a bad idea to go at a slower pace and take time to explain things.

For the turret-dds in general: Yes, moving is inconvenient and tiring, but when the one who keeps the boss away from you is not a tank but a squishy dd, and there is no healer there either, be a sport and used those conveniently placed healing stations or (gasp) sacrifice some dps to throw an off heal or three if your class allows you to do so. If you are on the brink of dying yourself, you should definitely consider getting up and finding a means to heal yourself.

And finally for the scoundrels: Be one. Don't die a hero in a vain effort to get everyone some healing, pop Disappearing Act, and let someone else face the bosses wrath. Heal to full, rez the fallen or at least save yourself some repair costs.

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jrwellworth
06.27.2014 , 08:48 AM | #3596
Quote: Originally Posted by ZentheSecond View Post
I am so one of those tanks that teaches via death. But I usually say something along the lines of the following first before;
First time warning; "Tank pulls the packs not a Dps please"
Second time warning; "I told you before the tank starts the fights, we are vastly less squishy"
Third warning; "Next time you pull, your tanking the pack I'll sit back here and watch".

By the third warning I have already whispered the healer and told them my intention, many of them get it. It's rude to pull ahead of the tank, and a tank is a lot easier to heal then a Dps. So they tend to go with it..

I once saw a guild placard or maybe the name of a raid team that stated: you pull it you tank it. I thought it was quite appropriate. After a warning of course.
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AAAAzrael
06.27.2014 , 09:01 AM | #3597
Quote: Originally Posted by Mubrak View Post
For the elite players out there who deign to run a flashpoint with newbs: facerolling a flashpoint works best when everyone is overgeared and knows what he does. When there is an undergeared player who says right from the start that he's new here, it's not a bad idea to go at a slower pace and take time to explain things.

For 'elite players' all those tactical FP's (or any FP's for that matter) are soloable, so if he couldn't pull it off with you guys helping him it means he just sucks and is a bad player. Don't try to paint him otherwise.
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Whojoo
06.27.2014 , 09:24 AM | #3598
Quote: Originally Posted by AAAAzrael View Post
For 'elite players' all those tactical FP's (or any FP's for that matter) are soloable, so if he couldn't pull it off with you guys helping him it means he just sucks and is a bad player. Don't try to paint him otherwise.
He mentioned his 36k scoundrel and a 39k slinger. For some reason I think the slinger was actually geared worse than the poster :P
Besides, if scoundrel gets the chance it will out-dps a slinger. So it probably took a while for the slinger to catch up.

But yea... calling the slinger elite is probably overdoing it. Lets just call him confident :P
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Xakthul
06.27.2014 , 12:37 PM | #3599
This is really a WZ thing, so idk if it fits here:

I went into lowbie (10-29) queue with my own group of three guildies (All snipers... We love snipers). As soon as we hit Civil War, we knew we were screwed. There were no less than four AC-less 'Sith Inquisitor' toons in our full ops group. Ofc, we sent messages to them to go get ACs before queuing again. They all left. So, fine. We had three Snipers and a couple above-average healers (A Sin and an Op), one of whom had just joined.

So, with slots still open in the group, we capped snow and mid. The Pub team got grass. It looked like we were gonna win, until mid just suddenly went red, and the chat box just gave the 'defeated' message for the two guys at mid. No inc calls, nothing. They weren't new PvPers, either. One had the 'Duelist' title on him at the time, and the other had had like 10 medals in the last WZ we'd both been in.

Now, I had given the obvious message to everybody about calling incs. What I HADN'T realized was that the enemy team was composed of 6 AC-less people, and a couple sages who were apparently unable to use anything other than telekinetic throw. So, my healers, apparently unable to do enough DPS to kill the two Sages lost mid, while the six AC-less people came and were murdered by my sniper team.

TL;DR: Pick a bloody AC before you queue. And call incs. Or I will find you. And b*tch smack you.
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Adaliaya
06.27.2014 , 01:43 PM | #3600
Quote: Originally Posted by ZentheSecond View Post
I am so one of those tanks that teaches via death. But I usually say something along the lines of the following first before;
First time warning; "Tank pulls the packs not a Dps please"
Second time warning; "I told you before the tank starts the fights, we are vastly less squishy"
Third warning; "Next time you pull, your tanking the pack I'll sit back here and watch".

By the third warning I have already whispered the healer and told them my intention, many of them get it. It's rude to pull ahead of the tank, and a tank is a lot easier to heal then a Dps. So they tend to go with it.

Back on the subject of the thread;
Been a while since I ran a GF FP, but I had a HM Cad pop on my Sin. Think the group was a Dps Sin, Dps Merc and healing Op (might have been a healing Sorc). So we go through, and I notice the Dark Charge on the Sin. I think nothing of it, as plenty of Sin's lately seem to lvl with Dark Charge for the damage reduction or even do dailies with it when they lack gear (which he did). So went on my merry way chain pulling all the live long day with the idle comment to the healer near the start "yell at me if I am going to quick". Before the first boss I notice something amusing, the Sin Dps has Dark Ward on. So I focus target him during the first boss for amusement sake, and he is a little of everything.

Like... Seriously. He used Death Field, had Dupicilty procs, and dark ward. Little from all the trees, I just shrugged it and moved on... He did not try to act as a tank, and was all around very silent needing only on willpower gear and mats. At the end I mentioned he might want to just pick one skill tree and stick to it, whether or no he ever will is beyond me.
Way you described is in my opinion fine, if tank gives 2 warnings and DPS won't change their ways. In my case tank just abandoned us to die without warning, which is not that big deal on lowbies but on 55 those repair bills just make me sad. Also I had (for my understanding) been ok healer, joined battle only after tank did expect on this particular pull he didn't move at all, DPS health dropped fast so I stormed to save them, unfortunately too late
If tank wanted to punish DPS... Well but what did I do to deserve die? I called him to help us many times but when this guy moves to battle DPS are dead and I on 30% hp. I felt so down after that ... Because I remember what is it to be new technically I'm still new, I'm having some problems with my ops performance and good players saying bad about it feel sad. I do my 110% best every time so I really felt for DPS on this case