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Lowyjowylof
06.11.2013 , 01:58 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Spyderwraith View Post
I've bolded and color coded the main points I am curious about. I'm assuming you mean the 4 "Bosses" the maurader BH agent and sorc?
I've never had any issues with that as I AoE taunt initially Saber reflect and periodically tab target to see if anybody has aggro off of me and if they do i go to them wack them a few times and it's back on me. How these bosses are difficult is beyond me. Unless the dps know nothing of the kill order and herp derp thier way along.
EDIT and I suppose based on your post the Tank knows nothing and herp derps his way along LOLLOL
To clarify, he would never corral the trash throughout, we were mostly fine because we were able to dps them down, but there were a couple times where their weren't enough CCs and the dogs would go for the healer, I'd hit mortar volley or another aoe to peel them off the healer while he would be tanking a gold in the corner.

On the 4 bosses, he kept trying to tank the marauder in the corner LOSing himself from the healer and tanking the mob that's going to jump anyway rather than stay in the middle and keep the group occupied. We marked the bosses and stated the kill order in chat (Agent, Marauder, Sorc, and BH). The Sorc and BH would go straight for the healer every time.

TL;DR Yes, he knew very little if nothing at all and herp derps his way along LOL..
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cxten
06.11.2013 , 02:02 PM | #302
Quote: Originally Posted by NoFishing View Post
I once pugged into a TfB and joined the organizing guild's voice chat. On Kephess, the main tank instructed the sage healer in the group put down a salvation that the tank could leap into at the very start. Now, I have a sage healer that I know how to play pretty well...so I found this to be just about the dumbest thing you could ask a sage to do. Spend 91 force to heal a single target for maybe 3-4k between the time the pull happens and salvation expires? Were they deliberately trying to run the sage out of force in this fight??? So I voiced my objection, saying sages should focus on bubble and single target healing at the start...the tank gave some mealy-mouthed "well it's another HoT". I whispered the sage and told him his tank didn't have a clue and he should ignore any further direction from that idiot.
This sounds like a bad idea on the Kephess fight, but there are fights, usually trash pulls, with big burst damage at the start where you want to do something like this. (Also, it's only 61 force with conveyance.)

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Seireeni
06.12.2013 , 07:08 PM | #303
This one happened last week to me, mandalorian raiders hm with 1 nice pug, 1 great pug and 1...not so great.

So. There I am with my commando healer, mix of this and that in my gear (wh/partisan/conqueror/underworld/whatever you get with basic comms/whatever you get with elite comms-mix, so truly a mix). I queue, fp pops, Mandalorian Raiders. Good news for me, since most of my level 55 hm experience is from Mandalorian Raiders or Cademimu and from these, I've found Mandalorian Raiders easier to heal. I check my group. 1 dps, balance shadow, looks pretty good, and the guardian tank looks amazing: around 36k hp I think. I thought that this was going to be easy - until I saw the other "dps". That was actually a vanguard tank, in tanking stance, with around as much hp as me and the shadow dps. I was a little worried about that, but hoped that the rest of the team could carry this one, since I remembered the fp would be kind of easy. And how wrong was I.

First boss. Focus fire? What's that? Some kind of snack? The tank was tanking the boss in a corner while the hounds were bouncing around. Okay, this happens at the start always, and I'm even ready to accept if one of the hounds chases me at the start when the dps burn down the other hound. But this one went on forever. Everyone was taking damage, nothing was dying or even close to dying and, since the dps (especially "dps") needed constant healing all the time, I didn't really have the time to heal myself. So, the hounds were probably with 50& of their hp when one of them jumped at me with my hp very low (I was desperately trying to keep up the vanguard) and managed to kill me. Well, we actually didn't wipe (someone managed to run away from the room with the bosses behind them and run with them almost all the way back to the spawn point without the fight restarting), but I thought in my mind "wow, that took ages". Anyway, we carried on.

Second boss, nothing interesting after we get the kill order clear, but that takes a few wipes. Nothing problematic, really, before we reach the bonus boss.
Now, there was some kind of bug on the mob near this boss - the guardian pushed an elite over the edge, but somehow that elite still kept firing me. The encounter was started before I could say that, but that firing stopped at some point. I was glad about it, especially since the boss seemed to act a little weird. It seemed like he would have a bunch of aggro drops all suddenly, I couldn't remember that from my previous runs. We ended up wiping, and that wasn't going to be the last wipe on this boss.

A wipe or a few later, this vanguard manages to get knocked back so that he falls to the void but doesn't exactly fall, but gets stuck to some edge. And all suddenly, the boss starts acting normal and tankable. This one ends with enrage, but I'm starting to suspect the "dps" is the problem our group has. He's constantly throwing a guard at me (so he can't be guarded by himself) and seems to be stealing the aggro somehow. While we run back to the boss, I write to the chat "We might not be able to do this without 2 dps.". The tank (the actual tank) who really haven't spoken at all during the whole fp offers to respec as dps, but no one says anything. Personally I'm hoping for the "tankdps" to take a hint and at least apologize for queueing for the wrong role, but he says nothing. I'm starting to constantly click off his guard and he keeps putting it back on me. Another fight, this time everything goes well but we don't beat the enrage timer.

This time, before we engage the boss, I tell them "guys, I think we can't do this with 2 tanks". Instead of apologizing, the vanguard just tells us to skip the bonus. The shadow agrees and we move closer to the final boss, but the guardian doesn't follow us. I guessed he would have gone afk for a few moments and we waited for him. Finally I saw him running towards us again - in shien stance. And dps gear. That really put a smile on my face.
I told the other two "guys, we got 2 dps, lets give that bonus one more try". We try that once again - healing the not-so-greatly-geared vanguard tank wasn't easy in my gear (and/or skill level), btw - and we kill it. I thank the guardian for respeccing. I really feel that he saved the day.

The final boss goes ok (though, the tank is pretty hard to keep up for me, but I manage) until the last turret phase. The last 2 turrets are up and dps are killing them, when suddenly, the boss jumps to middle even though we aren't even ready with the first turret of the pair. Tank dies before I even realize what just happened (I still have no idea, but the tank typed "sorry" to chat, I guess he did something wrong?). Everything starts firing on the shadow, and I manage to keep him up for a while, but not that long time. At that time, there was only 1 turret with maybe 50% hp, the boss, the guardian (now dps) and me still up and running. And somehow, I manage to keep the guardian alive while he destroys the turret and kills the boss. When the boss finally went down, I truly felt like Talos Drellik:
"Are we dead yet? Oh my goodness...we won!"

So that's 2 weird people: a weird tank who queues as a dps, and a silent guardian who saved the day instead of dropping the group at the second he saw someone constantly stealing aggro from him.
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Elear
06.13.2013 , 09:12 AM | #304
Tanks that don't taunt, don't know about guard, or don't switch stance to tanking one are "norm", common enough to not be considered weird anymore. Pointing out their mistakes to them usually solves problem, and rest of FP goes well, or at least as well as you can expect from player that didn't know about taunts untill you told him.

So when in lvl40 FP I met just another tank that wouldn't taunt, I simply reminded him he should be using taunts, but got no response. On second trash group all mobs are still hitting everything but tank, including one he was actively tanking. Again, 'use taunts'. This time he reacted, by saying something along these lines "I don't have any, I'm trying to save up for some"
So yeah. Lvl40 player queueing as tank, saying he couldn't afford any taunt since lvl16.

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Tegual
06.13.2013 , 09:44 AM | #305
Some people just dont learn or even want to know how their class is played. This was back in 1.7 but i did a Directive 7 with a tank who did not taunt (when we asked him why he said that he didnt need to and that the healer(me) and the dps(2 pugs) needed to do less damage and use our threat droppers more). Of course everyone but the tank was in either 61 or 63 gear and we ended up pretty much ignoring him after the second boss but we completed it with him.

However, today i meet a sorcerer who used nothing but force storm. Since i leveled a sorc while healing i watched his procs (the only ones he got were force effusion and lightning barrage(i think, the one which allows you to cast instant chain lightning) and tried to help him with his rotation. But alas he force stormed through all the bosses and adds without a care in the world. Incidentally this was also directive 7 (maybe i need to stop doing this FP) so when we got to the final boss and finished explaining it since neither of the DPS had done it before the sorc was happily force storming away and got targeted by the claw, first time i healed him through it and told him in chat to move out of it. The second time it happened and he didn't move i just stoped healing him, then rezed him after the fight was over.

not the only weird people ive met, but the ones that have stood out so far
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ToMyMa
06.13.2013 , 12:32 PM | #306
Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
This one happened last week to me, mandalorian raiders hm with 1 nice pug, 1 great pug and 1...not so great.

So. There I am with my commando healer, mix of this and that in my gear (wh/partisan/conqueror/underworld/whatever you get with basic comms/whatever you get with elite comms-mix, so truly a mix). I queue, fp pops, Mandalorian Raiders. Good news for me, since most of my level 55 hm experience is from Mandalorian Raiders or Cademimu and from these, I've found Mandalorian Raiders easier to heal. I check my group. 1 dps, balance shadow, looks pretty good, and the guardian tank looks amazing: around 36k hp I think. I thought that this was going to be easy - until I saw the other "dps". That was actually a vanguard tank, in tanking stance, with around as much hp as me and the shadow dps. I was a little worried about that, but hoped that the rest of the team could carry this one, since I remembered the fp would be kind of easy. And how wrong was I.

First boss. Focus fire? What's that? Some kind of snack? The tank was tanking the boss in a corner while the hounds were bouncing around. Okay, this happens at the start always, and I'm even ready to accept if one of the hounds chases me at the start when the dps burn down the other hound. But this one went on forever. Everyone was taking damage, nothing was dying or even close to dying and, since the dps (especially "dps") needed constant healing all the time, I didn't really have the time to heal myself. So, the hounds were probably with 50& of their hp when one of them jumped at me with my hp very low (I was desperately trying to keep up the vanguard) and managed to kill me. Well, we actually didn't wipe (someone managed to run away from the room with the bosses behind them and run with them almost all the way back to the spawn point without the fight restarting), but I thought in my mind "wow, that took ages". Anyway, we carried on.

Second boss, nothing interesting after we get the kill order clear, but that takes a few wipes. Nothing problematic, really, before we reach the bonus boss.
Now, there was some kind of bug on the mob near this boss - the guardian pushed an elite over the edge, but somehow that elite still kept firing me. The encounter was started before I could say that, but that firing stopped at some point. I was glad about it, especially since the boss seemed to act a little weird. It seemed like he would have a bunch of aggro drops all suddenly, I couldn't remember that from my previous runs. We ended up wiping, and that wasn't going to be the last wipe on this boss.

A wipe or a few later, this vanguard manages to get knocked back so that he falls to the void but doesn't exactly fall, but gets stuck to some edge. And all suddenly, the boss starts acting normal and tankable. This one ends with enrage, but I'm starting to suspect the "dps" is the problem our group has. He's constantly throwing a guard at me (so he can't be guarded by himself) and seems to be stealing the aggro somehow. While we run back to the boss, I write to the chat "We might not be able to do this without 2 dps.". The tank (the actual tank) who really haven't spoken at all during the whole fp offers to respec as dps, but no one says anything. Personally I'm hoping for the "tankdps" to take a hint and at least apologize for queueing for the wrong role, but he says nothing. I'm starting to constantly click off his guard and he keeps putting it back on me. Another fight, this time everything goes well but we don't beat the enrage timer.

This time, before we engage the boss, I tell them "guys, I think we can't do this with 2 tanks". Instead of apologizing, the vanguard just tells us to skip the bonus. The shadow agrees and we move closer to the final boss, but the guardian doesn't follow us. I guessed he would have gone afk for a few moments and we waited for him. Finally I saw him running towards us again - in shien stance. And dps gear. That really put a smile on my face.
I told the other two "guys, we got 2 dps, lets give that bonus one more try". We try that once again - healing the not-so-greatly-geared vanguard tank wasn't easy in my gear (and/or skill level), btw - and we kill it. I thank the guardian for respeccing. I really feel that he saved the day.

The final boss goes ok (though, the tank is pretty hard to keep up for me, but I manage) until the last turret phase. The last 2 turrets are up and dps are killing them, when suddenly, the boss jumps to middle even though we aren't even ready with the first turret of the pair. Tank dies before I even realize what just happened (I still have no idea, but the tank typed "sorry" to chat, I guess he did something wrong?). Everything starts firing on the shadow, and I manage to keep him up for a while, but not that long time. At that time, there was only 1 turret with maybe 50% hp, the boss, the guardian (now dps) and me still up and running. And somehow, I manage to keep the guardian alive while he destroys the turret and kills the boss. When the boss finally went down, I truly felt like Talos Drellik:
"Are we dead yet? Oh my goodness...we won!"

So that's 2 weird people: a weird tank who queues as a dps, and a silent guardian who saved the day instead of dropping the group at the second he saw someone constantly stealing aggro from him.
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Arlon_Nabarlly
06.13.2013 , 01:40 PM | #307
Best story I ever had. Got grouped for Cademimu Heroic. It was 2 or 3 weeks after Makeb, long enough that most people that play regularly had their 69s and were face-rolling heroics. Got a tank that insisted we CC the first pull because it's a tough one (I can't remember ever CCing or dieing on that pull, ever). I said nothing but one the DPS was like, no dude, it's easy just go in and we'll AOE down. Everyone was fine with this but the tank who then wiped us by taunting the group then DCing.

We suspected he DC'd intentionally to not get the drop penalty, so we all waited about a minute till he logged back in. "Oh hi, welcome back". He then responded that we're all now blacklisted from the best guild on the server (I don't remember the name of his guild but I'd never heard of it). We all had a good laugh after that. Queued again and got an instant pop tank who actually knew how to play while he waited out his drop penalty.

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Nkya
06.14.2013 , 02:35 AM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlon_Nabarlly View Post
Best story I ever had. Got grouped for Cademimu Heroic. It was 2 or 3 weeks after Makeb, long enough that most people that play regularly had their 69s and were face-rolling heroics. Got a tank that insisted we CC the first pull because it's a tough one (I can't remember ever CCing or dieing on that pull, ever). I said nothing but one the DPS was like, no dude, it's easy just go in and we'll AOE down. Everyone was fine with this but the tank who then wiped us by taunting the group then DCing.
Actually I recall dying at that first pull because the healer insisted to CC. As a tank CC a mob in the middle of a pack is a bother, we can't use AOE to get the aggro, and have to target them one by one while they're running in every direction or or attacking random people in the group. The healer also refused to "overheal", meaning he didn't heal or bubble me until I had half my health down. He may also probably busy to heal those hit by the isolated mobs around I tried/failed to aggro, not very sure on this last one because of the wipe. This scene lasted a few packs, with the flawed tactic he lift a mob in the middle then I had to aggro the others one by one while they're moving or shooting. All of this without heal until too late. He eventually left, frustrated after we stopped to follow his idea about CC and one more wipe since he kept "surgical" healing.

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jedimasterjac
06.14.2013 , 12:46 PM | #309
I'm not sure if sharing a HEROIC counts, but I'll go ahead and share it regardless.

So, I had done a few FPs with a guy, and he was nice (Though a bit "slow", and under-geared) so we decided to do the H4 in Black Hole of Pub Side. We wound up getting 2 55's, a Sentinel and a Sage. I was tanking, and we headed into the phase.

First, it was just me and the 55 Sentinel, the Sage decided he wanted to do the rest of his dailies before joining us. I'm texting, waiting for my friend, and suddenly, the 55 Sentinel leaps into the group. I desperately leap after, trying to keep aggro. Now, you may think that, since he was 55, we would have recovered. No, we did not. Why? This 55 Sentinel was only in Black Hole (or is it Campaign?) gear. I had more Hp than him. We managed to kill most of the group before we died. I decided not to say anything, thinking he just thought the whole group was there, and it was also my bad since I was texting.

We regrouped, and went through the elevator. I leapt and attacked a sole pat, killing it fairly quickly. Whoever, the Sentinel gets P.O.d, talking about how I "Shouldn't start fights". (Seriously, what the hell? I'm the tank, I start the fights.) We then proceed, and the Sage HEALER pulls three groups at once. We struggle to survive, but we manage.

Afterward, I go, "Can you please not pull multiple groups at once?"

He responds, "Have you died yet?"

I go, "Yes, actually."

He proceeds to be a jerk, and to pull multiple groups. At the final group (with the Champion Boss), he pulled everyone IN THE ROOM. I stopped using any thing to take aggro off him. If he wanted to fight them, let him. He then died, and the rest of us finished them off.

We proceeded to the boss, where we fought him. All 3 of my group mates decided to stand in ALL OF HIS AOES. ALL OF THEM. While I'm running around, trying not to die, it's like they want to! We got through the Heroic, but I ignored all of them, and was glad I now know to never group with them again.
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paowee
06.14.2013 , 04:13 PM | #310
I was on my Sorc and did a FP one time and q'd as healer but i didnt have the creds to respec for heals when i realized i was in the wrong spec inside HM Mando. I continued to DPS through trash and will heal everybody up when they get low on HP (around 40%). We never wiped and i made it a point to have people healed up and ready for the next trash pull. Maybe around 30 minutes in i was suddenly kicked out of the group but not before the tank said, we're kicking you because you aren't heal spec'd. I think we were at the trash before the final boss pull when this happened. Didnt kill the bonus boss yet too.

I kept them alive, and the run probably went a teeny bit faster because I was Lightning specd and also no one died not even once.
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