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Halinalle
02.23.2014 , 01:42 AM | #2131
Quote: Originally Posted by mastirkal View Post
No, you use it to stack 10-30% on your own agro over and over again before the dps have a chance to pull and the tanking sub forums have shown that that is well indeed possible.
That's exactly why DPS should never pull before tank. As a tank you're supposed to lead the group, you charge in first always. If DPS pulls first then tank will have more trouble holding that aggro. Whoever pulls first gets highest amount of initial threat. If you have mDPS in your group that can pull aggro off you then you use Guard on them.

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mastirkal
02.23.2014 , 01:49 AM | #2132
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post
That's exactly why DPS should never pull before tank. As a tank you're supposed to lead the group, you charge in first always. If DPS pulls first then tank will have more trouble holding that aggro. Whoever pulls first gets highest amount of initial threat. If you have mDPS in your group that can pull aggro off you then you use Guard on them.
What? When was anyone ever saying dps were pulling first? I said DPS shouldn't hold back. That doesn't mean they should pull first.
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mustopak
02.23.2014 , 02:00 AM | #2133
Athiss lowbie. Leveling a 'slinger with my guildie DPS 'drel.

We got a 'mando healer and shadow tank. First fights were a breeze. Then comes the part where there are 3 groups of lizards. The shadow tank pulls ALL THREE lizards group, then STEALTHS OUT and let us all die. I was like WTH.

He said "you want pull" before bailing out. WTH. None of us pulled ahead of him. The 'mando healer went different way because there was a salvageable droid he wants to take. NONE of us were pulling ahead of him. We ended up clearing the trash up to the doggie Beast fight with 3 of us and the 'mando healer's Elara. 'Twas a breeze. Another shadow tank popped up and we finished the FP.

I think the earlier shadow tank was on crack.

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Halinalle
02.23.2014 , 02:02 AM | #2134
Quote: Originally Posted by mastirkal View Post
What? When was anyone ever saying dps were pulling first? I said DPS shouldn't hold back. That doesn't mean they should pull first.
In that case you Guard that DPS.

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mastirkal
02.23.2014 , 02:07 AM | #2135
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post
In that case you Guard that DPS.
At this point I don't even think we're talking about the same thing.

EDIT as the guy two post below me says. I'm done.
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Halinalle
02.23.2014 , 03:32 AM | #2136
Quote: Originally Posted by mastirkal View Post
At this point I don't even think we're talking about the same thing.
Guard reduces threat generated by target player. That means that specific DPS will never pull aggro off during the fight. Longer the fight more difficult it is even for mDPS to do so.

Less threat generated = they can go crazy with their damage and still lose to tank in threat race.

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CrazyGreggy
02.23.2014 , 04:52 AM | #2137
Will you two argue in another damn thread and leave us to the funny stories. Three or four pages now and all it's doing is making you both look like idiots that won't let an argument go.

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Jabakla
02.23.2014 , 03:51 PM | #2138
I still don't understand what GUARD really does and when I should use it or not... Could u guys please explain one more time

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Reallynotaknight
02.23.2014 , 09:31 PM | #2139
Quote: Originally Posted by Jabakla View Post
I still don't understand what GUARD really does and when I should use it or not... Could u guys please explain one more time

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It is magical and mystical and never should be used, mainly because it ruins good threads.

Had a tank quit czerka labs after one wipe. He was a little slow to leave the water, and the healer couldn't keep him up. I was the only dps burning down the little robots, and on a powertech that can be a little annoying. As I was typing asking the merc to waste the little guys so they don't shoot the healer during the electric phase the tank quit. Even though he couldn't keep any aoe threat, I figured we would clear the fp with ease even with the one wipe.

When I whispered him he told me that he never sticks around after a wipe, that it was clear we couldn't down the boss. Merc quits claiming he had stuff to do, no biggie. We get some bad-asses for their replacements and we stomp the FP. I think the tank /ignored me when I asked how he ever planned on getting through content if he just quits, I guess he quits if there aren't over geared enough people to carry him. Our healer had 78's and was damn good, so it is a shame for him that he left.

Had a dps die on every pull during KDY, didn't think that was possible. 4 dps team, everything melted including our lone little marauder. I seriously mean every pull, he would rocket boot to get to the groups first, flip in and smash and promptly die. I should have checked if he was naked, but I was a little drunk.
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DataBeaver
02.24.2014 , 01:25 AM | #2140
Quote: Originally Posted by Reallynotaknight View Post
Had a tank quit czerka labs after one wipe. He was a little slow to leave the water, and the healer couldn't keep him up. I was the only dps burning down the little robots, and on a powertech that can be a little annoying. As I was typing asking the merc to waste the little guys so they don't shoot the healer during the electric phase the tank quit. Even though he couldn't keep any aoe threat, I figured we would clear the fp with ease even with the one wipe.
You don't need to kill all the small robots. I've had the boss enrage once because the DPS had a fixation on them and didn't do enough damage on the boss itself (I was tanking). The best strategy so far seems to be to kill one or two during the electric phase if they're close to the healer, and maybe give a whack to any that come too near the boss, but otherwise leave them alone.