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AbsolutGrndZero
12.11.2013 , 03:48 PM | #1491
Quote: Originally Posted by Dark_Mithrandir View Post
I've actually found that this happens because there is a lot of tanks that tunnel vision one add and forget that they are supposed to take the aggro from all.

When this happens the healers ofc get in trouble. So bad tanks put a guard on them when the thing is that they are simply bad tanks.

Then crappy healers that don't know really what's happening start to demand guard on every fp they go.

Chaining bad to worse
Yeah, I tend to not notice who guard is on until I get pasted and the tank is like "**** u suck at healing" and I'm like... "uh... can't heal you when I'm dead dude"

As long as the tank knows what he's doing at doesn't let me get pasted (and I do use my aggro dump power when necessary) I've never had a problem with healing and I have like 4 healers total.
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Icarus-Iso
12.11.2013 , 09:03 PM | #1492
Quote: Originally Posted by AbsolutGrndZero View Post
Yeah, I tend to not notice who guard is on until I get pasted and the tank is like "**** u suck at healing" and I'm like... "uh... can't heal you when I'm dead dude"

As long as the tank knows what he's doing at doesn't let me get pasted (and I do use my aggro dump power when necessary) I've never had a problem with healing and I have like 4 healers total.
I mainly play healers and I've noticed the same, what with some Tanks getting tunnel vision and most DPS doing the ever annoying strong-to-weak kill order and leaving the healer to be swarmed by most of the mobs.

Not to bad mouth DPS, but since levelling a few tanks now the ' I'll just hit what the tank's hitting or the thing with a gold/silver star and ignore everything else ' strategy used by most of the DPS I see has meant my guard goes straight on the healer. Why? Because whoever is getting hit the most - aside from me - in mobs gets my guard, which is usually the poor healer. If the group all know what they're doing, I don't have to guard (I still might just to be safe though, especially with Guildies doing the "steal-the-aggro" challenge). Unfortunately, that rarely happens with PUGs, and I'm one of the freaks that enjoy a good PUG now and again.

And really, since I keep all my tanks' gear up to date even DPS 5 levels above me struggle to steal aggro, and the times they do I usually notice a taunt (and not my own) on the mob/boss... which leads to a polite-enough "cut it out buster" from me


On topic... had a Mado Raiders run with the DPS being an Assassin and a Sniper, both of who would use their knockbacks to scatter nearly every single mob when I had them nice and clusted around my Powertech. Didn't call them out until the end because I've run the damn thing probably two dozen times in the last ten days and it was good to have a bit of a challenge in keeping an eye of who had what aggro.

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Darth_Exar
12.11.2013 , 10:07 PM | #1493
Ive had plenty of weird experiences in pug groups before, but the most recent one puzzled me.
After waiting over an hour and a half as a DPS for a 55HM, Cad finally pops with a PT,Mara,Sniper(me) and an Operative. We all enter. Everyone has pretty decent gear, so we say our greetings, Tank puts guard on me and we start heading towards the first batch of mobs. For some reason the Mara drops from the group before we even hit the first enemy.... I thought ok, thats fine its a Dps, will only take less than a minute to find one in group finder (The Tank promptly puts us in queue). But for some utterly odd reason the Healer (operative) starts having a fit, and I mean a total rage with caps! Something like "I dont have time for your Sh***", me and the tank were totally confused, saying to just wait for a few minutes because its easy to find dps. The operative is having none of it and proceeds to shout expletives at us and then exits area. Im just literally dumbfounded as I stare at my screen thinking "*** was his problem", so its just me and the tank left, we queue again but then the tank proceeds to say "This is why I dont like the Imp side" I enquire why and she says "The healers have fits when I don't guard them" I just shook my head and made excuses to leave.
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Han_Soral
12.11.2013 , 11:47 PM | #1494
The most annoying thing that happened with me many times over and over is the tank or healer are not doing their job! They are usually dps and they queue as tank/healers because it goes faster! NO! NO! JUST! NO!
I always check the group before I start the flashpoint and the sheer amount of people doesn't even know what they're doing is staggering.
But it gets even better!

Just yesterday I went into two FPs, as healer sage and guardian tank (athiss HM 55, athiss 21) (PUG both)
On Athis: Guardian Tank ... khm... DPS Shien form.... plus two dps sent and slinger. Now, I'll start checking them, usually it's quick I just take a look which stance the tank uses. And bam. Shien form. Ah, not again! Anyway I'm trying to warn the tank as politely as possible that he should switch to soresu. He says 'Oh it's fine I'm tank, I don't know what's your problem.' -Jesus man, you are in Shien form! You are not a tank!- 'But the role icon says I am. What's your problem?' -Ok, this is for the other two dps: we have two choices 1, we kick the guardian dps because he is clearly not a tank, or I leave and good luck tanking this. (It's important to know that the team were in 63-66 lvl mods, me in 66-69, so it would be tricky to dps through athiss without a proper tank)
Guess what happened? Yeap they kicked me! I laughed so hard.

Other FP (athiss 21) Same thing. But this time around I was the tank with my guardian. We got a Sage 'healer' who clearly wasn't a healer not one heal, not one during his brief time in the group. I'm trying to pickup aggro as much as I can with the guardian, it's tricky at lower levels so my health drops so fast I didn't understand it at first. Then at the next batch of foes I was watching our healer, well of course the guy was there swinging his lightsaber like caveman.
And nothing else! Double strike/saber strike all the way. Alright maybe he doesn't know that he is the healer and he supposed to do that.
'Pls heal' You are the healer' 'pls heal us' -- I get a short 'Ok' as a response which would indicate that he can speak basic english. We arrived at the first boss. Not a single heal again. I die (3rd time now), and he just continues swinging his saber. We kicked him, we got a brand new healer and finished the FP smoother than ever.

Ok so the Sage dps has one saving grace he was at the early stages of the game at lvl 20, still learning the game no big deal, even though telling him what to do and he still refuses to do so not qualifies as learning but I can look over that minor detail after and ignore of course.

But nothing on Earth can save the first guy! How can he strongly believe that he is a tank in shien form and be lvl 55??
That's what happens after double xp, a bunch of people level so fast they either don't learn how to play their class correctly or don't have the gear to do high level content or both.

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slafko
12.12.2013 , 02:41 AM | #1495
Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus-Iso View Post
I mainly play healers and I've noticed the same, what with some Tanks getting tunnel vision and most DPS doing the ever annoying strong-to-weak kill order and leaving the healer to be swarmed by most of the mobs.
I tend to type "kill order: weak to strong, pls" in party chat if I see the derps not killing the weakest mobs first. They listen. In most cases, anyway. The hardcore ones get the pleasure of tanking the champions while I do their job for them. They start behaving after a few deaths.

What I love most are the "you tank i kill" replies. They tell me what kind of player I'm dealing with and they're swiftly given a free membership on my ignore list. Same goes for healers that demand to be guarded and refuse to listen to reason.

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Scyphon_
12.12.2013 , 11:05 AM | #1496
We get queue pop for Mando 55 HM.. Me another dps , healer sitting there..Finally Tank zones in.
First thing out his mouth "50K each for this run or ill leave"
So we respond "are you serious?"
Tank "yes , you will wait for a long time to get a Tank"
Us " **** then" " leave then *****, lol" " dont forget to get rid of that alactrity enhancement once you get back to fleet *******"
.. So healer Operative, nicely geared with 72/78mix, pops Kaliyo out 39k health, we continue on and clear the FP..needless to say he was a dick.

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DalekTheCat
12.12.2013 , 01:07 PM | #1497
Quote: Originally Posted by Scyphon_ View Post
We get queue pop for Mando 55 HM.. Me another dps , healer sitting there..Finally Tank zones in.
First thing out his mouth "50K each for this run or ill leave"
So we respond "are you serious?"
Tank "yes , you will wait for a long time to get a Tank"
Us " **** then" " leave then *****, lol" " dont forget to get rid of that alactrity enhancement once you get back to fleet *******"
.. So healer Operative, nicely geared with 72/78mix, pops Kaliyo out 39k health, we continue on and clear the FP..needless to say he was a dick.
DUDE. I just logged in to post about the same flashpoint. I never post in the forums but I just had to come and have a laugh about that douchetank. That was my Kaliyo who tanked it for us.

Who needs a tank when you have a psychotic girlfriend?

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idnewton
12.12.2013 , 01:10 PM | #1498
Wow I've never yet come across a tank which tried to demand money for a run. That's so low lol.
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Jeweledleah
12.12.2013 , 02:36 PM | #1499
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_of_Mu View Post
I'm used to dealing with WoW mechanics. So I have to ask, is the threat reduction from guard multiplicative or additive?

If it's multiplicative, wouldn't that also mean that it's less effective guarding a healer to the point of almost seeing it as a diminishing return because of their existing passive threat reduction vs guarding a dps which has no passive threat reduction?
I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly, but if I remember guard from WoW the right way (only warriors have it, last I checked, and I never got into playing warrior much) - guard literally transfers threat form the target of the guard to the tank who used it. in SWTOR, it merely reduces how much threat you gain through your actions.
healing abilities gain less threat than dps ones (especially if you have the talent, which basically all healers do). moreover - ranged abilities cause less threat then melee ones.

last but not least, and this is why guarding a healer is usually unproductive. whenever healer casts a heal, they gain a small amount of threat, spread across every single mob you are currently engaging (unlike dps abilities that only generate threat from the target you are hitting). the amount is negligible as long as someone, ANYONE is hitting those mobs. even without guard.

the problem starts when mobs are not being hit by anyone. which basically means that the healer is the ONLY one that has any threat on them, and threat reduction from guard does absolutely nothing, becasue it doesn't matter if your threat is (hypothetically) 250 points or 200 points - when you are the only one with the threat, its 100% you either way.

this is why, unlike WoW - kill order is weak to strong and why dps essentially tank weak adds for a few seconds it takes to burn them down. and this is why you guard dps, becasue it does reduce their threat vs the tanks on the same target they are both hitting, making it easier for the tank to hold them.

unlike WoW, there are no classes that can transfer/build threat for you through class abilities (and believe me, I greatly miss my tricks of the trade and misdirect - some of the very few things I miss about WoW). the only threat redirecting abilities in SWTOR? are taunts.

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ToMyMa
12.12.2013 , 03:32 PM | #1500
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