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shleefin
12.09.2013 , 12:28 PM | #1461
Quote: Originally Posted by sithBracer View Post
This is not jumping through hoops and it will only take a couple of extra seconds. You might be an overgeared excellent healer, but I don't know that, for all I know this might be the first time you ever did this fp and you might not be able to keep up with the extremely high damage those cannons do. It is much easier to just stand back and let a sorc/sniper take care of them than risk a huge repair bill because the healer might have had a hiccup or lag.

For SnV, I agree. The trash mob is very weak, you can knock them off, and it is much easier/quicker to just straight up kill them than try to cross on the ledge.
I generally will defer to tanks when I do flashpoints. You are free to los pull, request cc, assign kill order, etc. I won't say anything (usually). It can be annoying though when I get the extreme micromanagement types who insist on doing every pull like this. The turrents in mando are merely one example. My favorite tanks are those who recognize that I am a capable healer and just plow through the fp. It's a compliment I guess.

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rantboi
12.09.2013 , 01:48 PM | #1462
Quote: Originally Posted by ELRunninW View Post
Mandalorian Raiders, commando slinger, vanguard tank me with scoundrel. Everyone seems to be geared. we go through first few pulls. Tank favors los even on very first pull which is strange IMO, but why not. On the very first set of turrets, right before the tram. Tank decides dps can destroy turrets from range with him staying away.

[Tank]: range those LOL
[Tank]: gunslinger can just range those

Before I have time to object the fight starts. I complain that even though it could work I can not heal through as both dps were taking damage.
I was able to heal through this pull but only because I am grossly over geared and I say I should not be expected to. My argument being that if it was someone else the group could have had wiped on something that should not be a problem at all. There was no actual conversation at all, just me typing that information and we move on.
Next on our way to the Command Deck, area with slice-able elevator we move by right side, but someone pulls the turret and the fight breaks out. After clearing the area tank says

[Tank]: my apologies then. I am too much a noob for this group. I will leave, again, I am sorry.
[me]: dont be, just do your job
[dps]: You're doing fine
Tank left the group.

Well, that's a bummer, on the other hand, good riddance. I whisper the tank.
[me]: you can't look at it this way. you will be a noob in any group.

We re-queue and while we wait we proceed to clear the trash. At raiding party I ask the group to try 3 man it, someone suggests we should use a companion, so I bring Corso, and wouldn't you know it, we kill our way through, bonus boss and final boss with only one wipe on a silly misunderstanding where on bonus boss one dps went to trigger the boss, and the other started the fight with final set of turrets. But hey, cant win them all. Lesson here is, who needs to put up with jerks when Corso Rigs can do a better job?

For your information, tank is only required to start the flashpoint, after that you can just leave. Take your moods somewhere else. I too have a tank alt, but I have something called class.
it sounds like dps were the noobs in this story and tank left when he got sick of being blamed for their stupidity

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Elusive_Thing
12.09.2013 , 02:59 PM | #1463
Quote: Originally Posted by shleefin View Post
I generally will defer to tanks when I do flashpoints. You are free to los pull, request cc, assign kill order, etc. I won't say anything (usually). It can be annoying though when I get the extreme micromanagement types who insist on doing every pull like this. The turrents in mando are merely one example. My favorite tanks are those who recognize that I am a capable healer and just plow through the fp. It's a compliment I guess.
Gotten a few whispers from tanks on my Operative healer saying something along the lines of "I can see you can go faster, mind if I just don't heal out of combat" or something like that. It sounds like a vote of confidence!

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ELRunninW
12.09.2013 , 03:36 PM | #1464
Quote: Originally Posted by CrazyGreggy View Post
Well, for one thing gunslingers/snipers CAN outrange those turrets. Their max range is 30m, a slinger or sniper can stay between 30.1 and 35m out and blow them up with zero danger. Sounds like your derps don't know their class and the tank did.

Plus, I wouldn't claim to have class when you send that snide little whisper afterward. Derps fail to know their max range, derps pull turret instead of waiting for slicer. Tank dropped group and apologised. Think I know who showed the class in that group.
Quote: Originally Posted by rantboi View Post
it sounds like dps were the noobs in this story and tank left when he got sick of being blamed for their stupidity
Quote: Originally Posted by Elusive_Thing View Post
They can indeed outrange the turrets. I have seen it done several times, though usually if there is just one Sniper in the group, I prefer to just kill them the old-fashioned way. With two Snipers though...
That was a Hard Mode flashpoint and the conversation you have been given was the only exchange in the group chat. No one has blamed anybody for anything. The tank did not attempt to work with the group at all. Telling DPS to do something unconventional while watching them nearly fail and consider that reason for leaving is very low in my opinion. I did whisper the tank what I thought was necessary to make sure he does not think we had an impression he was being sarcastic.
On the other hand I did not really understand why he decided to leave and I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Do you think my whisper was out of place? Nevertheless, a noob is a noob no matter how many apologies he can manage to type in a chat before leaving a group for no reason.

Good group member, no matter of the class, will adopt to a situation and try to do the best of it. You don't leave without a good reason. Nobody died, nothing went wrong.
You miss the point the person was easily replaced by a companion, even if you believe DPS was a problem. I can carry you thorough a flashpoint and I dont mind doing it. I once had no gear to show and I needed help my self.

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ELRunninW
12.09.2013 , 04:00 PM | #1465
Quote: Originally Posted by ItachiZaku View Post
I was in one of those level 55 Czeka (sp) FPs as heals with 2 other healers. One of them never did anything at all but throw the AOE ground heal and bubble himself. I think one time I saw his green name on my screen aside from that. No damage, nothing. I'm a very offensive healer, always have been in every game I play, but to not even do your main job just seemed... what if the other healer and I weren't heals? /shutter
This could be a DPS that happen to queue as a healer and not being prepared to actually do any healing at all. I have a commando that I barely do any healing with. If I ever get in a healing role I will be probably in trouble myself.

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ELRunninW
12.09.2013 , 04:03 PM | #1466
Quote: Originally Posted by shleefin View Post
Snide whispers aside, I don't understand why some individuals/groups insist on jumping through hoops instead of just straight up killing. Those turrents are not difficult and will die faster to the whole group doing dmg instead of just one sniper. As an overgeared healer, antics like this annoy me. Another place I see this a lot is S&V, there's a point right before cartel warlords where you can avoid a pull by walking around a room on a ledge. But that always takes forever (much longer than just pulling) and there's always 1 or 2 ppl that fall down, delaying the group that much more...
That was my point of view. It was unnecessary and both dps failed to stay out of range. Tank with resistance and mitigation can be much easier target to heal than two squishy dps. I though it was a mistake to expect a healer to carry them, not that I could not, but still a mistake.

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ELRunninW
12.09.2013 , 04:24 PM | #1467
Quote: Originally Posted by sithBracer View Post
This is not jumping through hoops and it will only take a couple of extra seconds. You might be an overgeared excellent healer, but I don't know that, for all I know this might be the first time you ever did this fp and you might not be able to keep up with the extremely high damage those cannons do. It is much easier to just stand back and let a sorc/sniper take care of them than risk a huge repair bill because the healer might have had a hiccup or lag.

For SnV, I agree. The trash mob is very weak, you can knock them off, and it is much easier/quicker to just straight up kill them than try to cross on the ledge.
I would agree with you if it was not a way everyone always does it. From a point of view of a tank, which I am myself, it is a walk in a park if I can keep agro on myself at all time. If I have doubts before the pull, I will mark one turret for DPS to take down first and use my skills and abilities to keep both turrets focused on me. Can you call yourself a good tank and yet not be able to handle this? If so, you should stick around and practice not just tell everyone you are not capable of completing the flashpoint and leave. Again, if Corso can do it better than you, what does it tell you?

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ELRunninW
12.09.2013 , 04:27 PM | #1468
Quote: Originally Posted by Flintfire View Post
Im a mercenary. My first flashpoint at lvl 14, Black Talon, I needed a piece of armor that was my stat, aim, and a person (i believe it was a juggernaut) accused me of being a ninja. When I explained the fact we were different classes and had different main stats he said "well, I need it for vette." (fyi vette uses cunning) Needless to say I left that group
That person had no clue what loot ninja is and how to correctly use the gear.

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RaptorClown
12.09.2013 , 04:31 PM | #1469
Quote: Originally Posted by Flintfire View Post
Im a mercenary. My first flashpoint at lvl 14, Black Talon, I needed a piece of armor that was my stat, aim, and a person (i believe it was a juggernaut) accused me of being a ninja. When I explained the fact we were different classes and had different main stats he said "well, I need it for vette." (fyi vette uses cunning) Needless to say I left that group
at low lvl it goes so fast i wouldnt notice that he even took it and move on. its better to finish it with exp/socials without items than not finishing it at all
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migeto
12.09.2013 , 05:01 PM | #1470
Today I got grouped up with the laziest *********** kid that did nothing but run his mouth and ***** about how the other people in the group played.
first person I ever set to /ignore so I would never get grouped with him again
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