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jeniyagyu
10.13.2013 , 06:57 PM | #1021
Quote: Originally Posted by Diranda View Post
So we clear the first boss, cause the new tank, a guardian, knows what hes doing. And the boss drops a heavy armor aim gear, and i think "sweet!" cause its an upgrade for me. Then the healer, a sage, needs on it and immidiatly after he wins the roll he dc's. I understand you can't really control a dc, but it did seem suspicious and we waited about 10 mins for him to come back. He didnt.
This I don't understand ... Makes NO sense, to spend all that time and effort in a group, then ninja a piece of loot and leave ... I would understand it better if it all went smoothly, but .... you could buy your comp better gear in greens at your current lvl then ninja a piece of gear from a FP that you will never upgrade .... ON TOP of that .... now your /ignored ...
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dancezwithnubz
10.13.2013 , 07:11 PM | #1022
heh, I think I was that weird person from groupfinder last night.

running a HM-FP (forget which one) with mah 52 Jugg tank. merrily whacking away, letting off taunts and generally trying in my n00besque fashion to do what good tanks do.

finish whacking down the last turret in one pull turned around and discovered the rest of the group had gotten themselves wiped.

i hadn't even noticed. I'd wound up taking out ~50% of the pull solo.

then there was a rather squishy marauder on a different run who kept running off and pulling groups. after the second time i'd saved his backside, I decided the next time he goes off to play tank, i'll let him play tank.

he wasn't very happy when he died, but at least he left the tanking to me for teh rest of the run.

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shamfurdispray
10.13.2013 , 07:52 PM | #1023
I love this thread so much, very enjoyable reading and here are my share though. It's not the best but probably among the weirdest so far.

Yesterday, on my alt run on the Black Talon. I'm a tank Powertech and we have another dps Powertech, dps Marauder and lastly the tank Juggernaut. Everything went smooth even without a healer, since everyone are well geared, and nearly reach level 15. We use a gear from cartel pack with a mix of blue/green items.

After the first choice on this flashpoint which we chose to spare the captain, and after we went down from the elevator, killing a group of mobs along the way. I noticed our dps Powertech has slow down, and start to running to the other way. When we reach the first boss (Sergeant Boran, and his squad), he went ahead attacking a group of mobs near the boss. We go after him but before we could finish this group then heals ourselves before the boss, he'd pull the boss immediately, making this run a lot harder with most of us losing half of health point already, as for our dps Powertech he ran away to pull the other group of mobs near the exit elevator.

Despite the odds we survived, and I begin to ask him a few question.

Me: What are you doing, man?
Tank Jugg: Dude
Tank Jugg: He doesn't have the game
Me: Why did you pull the boss then run away. We are not even ready yet?
Tank Jugg: he's playing on my m8's account, m8's computer and doesn't play MMO.
Tank Jugg: pls back off
Me: *thinking* I was just point out that he shouldn't do that, it's almost get us all killed, no need to get defensive here. What did I do??!

We managed to process after our little incident, me and our dps Marauder began to ignore those two completly, and there are no one's dying except our dps Powertech being slowed down to follow but be the first to run ahead and pull elite mobs sometimes. It happens again on the second boss (Commander Ghulil), after we finish the first elite droid, clear a few mobs and pull the boss the dps Powertech process and pull another elite droid we ignore.

Tank Jugg: Who hit the droid?
Me: *point to our dps Powertech*

After the slightly harder fight on second boss

Tank Jugg: 1 sec, lemme talk to the guy irl
Me: *thinking* ...!!! I'm just going to assume that you two play on a different computer, and perhaps in different room how did you two coordinate each other is beyond me. And why would that guy playing if he's not ready. *sigh*
Tank Jugg: back, told him DON'T SHOOT UNLESS WE HIT IT

We finally manage to finish the flashpoint. I bid my group farewell, and even though bear no ill will towards those two, tank Juggernault and dps Powertech. I have to put them on my ignore list, a group like this are too chaotic for me.

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Sallakat
10.14.2013 , 01:36 AM | #1024
I can't remember the last time I pugged a raid and doing it thru GF. Well last night I did (I'm a healer) together with guildies: 2 tanks, 1 other healer and 1 dps.
We get insta pop ofc - TFB SM - and were talking in TS "how bad can this be, we only have 3 pug dps". Well.
We got the Dread Guards to enrage even tho us healers were doing dps as much as we could. Nobody answered anything in OPS chat when we were giving instructions or asking questions. Nobody attacked the cores or vortexes first, it was us healers to do that... And lastly when we go to Operator I AGAIN ask "have you guys done this before" and then WOW someone actually answered and said the usual "could refresh my mind about it". We explain yet again, short and sweet and precise. And well... we failed color Blue... on a TFB SM! even tho both of us healers were again doing almost only dps.... So yeah I was super annoyed by that time and had no hope to clear operator so I quit the grp and so did my guildies.
The thing is that I don't mind explaining to ppl stuff when they react somehow and show that they can do what they're told to do. But when you get no reply or question or anything from anyone or any signs of them knowing what to do, why bother then you know.
So yeah I'm not pugging again in a long time.
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Tachenko_Yuri
10.14.2013 , 05:19 AM | #1025
Quote: Originally Posted by Diranda View Post

So we clear the first boss, cause the new tank, a guardian, knows what hes doing. And the boss drops a heavy armor aim gear, and i think "sweet!" cause its an upgrade for me. Then the healer, a sage, needs on it and immidiatly after he wins the roll he dc's. I understand you can't really control a dc, but it did seem suspicious and we waited about 10 mins for him to come back. He didnt.
I'm sorry bud. going to pm you something about those " odd " disconnects.
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Kingsbount
10.14.2013 , 09:51 AM | #1026
Im just want to tell you about not really smart decision's that DPS can make in Hammer station.
Iv seen that mistake a plenty of times, but it start to worrie me.

You all know about what im talking about.
There's a pretty serious encounter for 15-19 levels. 2 gold droids, 2 silvers and a bunch of normal.
They packed really good for tanking and for CC.

So basically the fight will be in this way:
1. Tank jump in a tight pack of 1 gold, 2 silvers and few normals.
2. DPS cast CC on the Gold that located in a few meter far from them.
3. DPS annihilate weaks and then burns down silvers and gold, while tank hold them.
4. Tank grab aggro for the last gold and burn him down with DPS.

All clean and sweet, don't you think? It's a perfect tactics for your team.

But i'v already meet about 10 or 12 people, that tryes to CC elite droid in A MIDDLE OF PACK.
So many time iv asked them - why they trying to do that? Why they trying to force not to use AoE (which is actually the best way for tanks to keep aggro. Smash, Discharge, Flamethrower, Death from above).
And only one man finally aswered me - BECOUSE I KNOW WHAT IM DOING, NOOB!

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verfallen
10.14.2013 , 10:08 AM | #1027
So got a few round of stories!!

lately I've finally got around to getting my jugger tank at 50 then 55 (guy must have been 48 for a year). The tanking is extremely fun, and I'm not doing a bad job tanking (its the role I learned the game in as a sintank, I generally I get good comment, hold threat well even with dps that are way over my gear, and I make sure the healer doesn't get heat if I can help it. A mob managing the healer = me giving myself a facepalm for missing one)

Well the guy has a knack of attracting THOSE people.

Of all kind.


HM BoI (which I've gotten 20 times in a row last week).

Queue pop, we have a jug dps, merc healer and can't remember the other dps.

So first the jug I notice has soresu on. I ask him to change stance, and he goes into shii-sho. I ask everyone if they want to do bosses or skip them, since some are not very geared even for HM 50. one of the dps would like it, so we proceed.

I go along the right border at start skipping the few thrash pack. Our jug dps jumps in and start melting. Wait what? Its not an accidental pull either. So we move forward, and at a few thrash pulls and on the first "boss" I notice he's using both of his darn taunts. I ask him to please stick to his role, and stop taunting off me. Alternatively, I start seeing clear sign he IS specced immortal but queued as a dps. (namely shield on aoe taunts, sonic barrier).

So at 2nd boss where again I had to fight for threat, and kept taunting OVER him. Of course, turret spawn and I'm out of taunts, and the jug "dps" stay glued on boss rather than help take down turrets.

Again, I tell him to STOP using his taunts over mine, and if he wishes to tank, to queue as one. I'm aware some HM 50 ain't life threatening for that kind of behaviour, but imo its just rude, and makes you a clunky dps.

Now the good part "Man I'm not using my taunts, you just can't keep aggro".

After me telling him I could read a debuff bar on a mob, and as any tank slightly worth his salt having Target of Target enabled, he shuts up, and stop taunting off. And then proceed to pulling thrash group we could have avoided, and this time healer is warned I'm not saving them if he choose to heal him. He doesn't guy dies. Guy stop pulling.

We proceeded through the rest of the FP.
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HM 55 Athiss.

One thing, my jug is mostly in crafted 66s, using high mitigation/low endurance enhencements (immunity), veracity reaction earpiece/implants, B mods, and back then I also had gotten a couple 22 redoubt augments off the GTN at 50, so I had the moddable piece of gear augmented with some basic defense.

What it gave, was plenty of gear for HM 55, altough a bit lower hp than a a tank going for [artifact] earpiece/implant or even the blue version of them, or that chose bastion/bulwark over sturdiness/immunity.

My tanking stats were also following the "ideal" chart in the tanking subforum. I've tanked a few HM 55 with him with no issues whatever, even with so-so healers sometimes (tell me more of your crit/alacrity combo plz. I like seeing all those fast SMALL crits on my head). I have only 32k health with a stim, but its 32k with great mitigation.

Now on that run, I recognize the healer from a guy I had a disastrous tank with when pugging an HM 55 on my lightning sorc a while back, so I know since we hadn't wiped then he is boss. I'm also determined to give him a better run than what we had gotten back then. He is a sorc healer, decked in 72 mostly if i recall well.

Our other dps is a sniper in roughly 72, and a marauder in 75/72.

Geez, thats great then, **** will melt!

I slap my guard on the marauder, and off we go!

Straight in the tomb, I realize something sad. The marauder is your typical case of "tunnel visionning" dps that goes straight for the strong, and leave weak mobs to target healer once the basic threat I have on them have elapsed. (3 ranged 1 melee pull without saber reflect up are rather hard to tank with jug if DPS aren't doing their job). Sniper is slightly better, but seems to have a tendency to join up with the marauder sometimes.

So I adjust my tanking and take down the weak so they don't attack our healer before taunting the strong off the marauder who's having a field day thinking he's tanking this. I also slap my guard on the healer. Its not very efficient, but heck, it allows me to build less threat to keep them off him, and I refuse to guard morons. I figure the mara might realize something is wrong with the guard change.

So we arrive at the pull where you have 5 strong droid all ranged, with 2 very apart from the rest. Since we have 2 droid cc in the group, I ask for the 2 leftmost to be cced since it takes a while for a tank to kill them, and the DPS are tunnel visionning a bit.

Marauder immediately start saying its a waste of time, argue a lot longer than the 1,5 sec needed for cc, so the healer slap his cc. I pull, marauder makes a point to go break both CCs to show "How useless they were".

I could have argued that I agree, when I can count on dps to quickly down those I cannot effectively tank, and since it wasn't the case there, I had asked the CCs not due to my fear of dying on the thrash pull, but that I didn't want the healer to take heat.

But seriously, I can see the guy is a moron, so I don't want to bother. We clear the professor, and move on.

He then starts being a douchebag and pulling groups before I healed up or healer restored his ressource, even tough I'm by no mean a slow tank, without going ******* crazy about downtime, by of course tunnel visionning the strongs while I'm stuck running around killing normals so they don't go for a juicy healer steak.

We go through the jungle part like this, up the stair. marauder pull the group there of course by jumping the elite, I figure /care and tank the rest.

I then pause there and ask the group which strategy they would prefer for the dog, either tank where he is and kill adds or bring to cave, which would require clearing the 2 extra thrash packs.

I am honestly fine with both, and its a QUESTION, I would have gone with popular vote on it.

The marauder goes berserk, and start raging about "people with crappy gear asking for dumb CCs" and how "he wants this done with, has no time to lose".

Well geez genius, I'm in full 66s, a piece of 69 and a piece of 72. can't exactly get them in any "easier" content now can I? And I'm doing quite a fine job, and CCs were mostly because YOU couldn't do your job properly.

Healer had enough and votekicked him, reason "Moron". Thing went through in record time, we requeue and get a merc who was the total opposite. After telling the guy to join us near the dog boss (I pointed out we had just finished taking out the thrash. Including the last DPS ) we move on, and boy how things are suddenly smoother.

Guy pulls every possible bit of DPS possible from his gear (mostly 69s), prioritized targets correctly, and does so while being fun and laidback, to which the mood around the fp change from frustrated to fun and relaxed.

We finished the FP including the bonus boss with no issues at all.



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And finally one fun run on my lightning sorc, that does have imo a good ending, but AFTER the fp.

I get HM cademinu, group is composed of a jug tank, operative healer, and a sniper DPS.

So off we go and we soon realize the tank has a massive tunnel vision issue, and is squishy as heck. He has no clear understanding on what his job is, his cooldowns, he,s tunnel visionning.

Healer tries to explain to him to hold "more than one mob" but me and him still mostly share the threat on the group (I'm going heavy on the aoe since I want the thrash cleared asap, and off the healer, and its apparent tank has no idea what he's doing.

We try pointing out tips, but he's adamant he's done this lots before, know his job, and even that the group is going great even tough we have 2 thrash wipes before the very first boss.

We get to the droid and enforcer boss. I ask clearly to the tank if he knows the fight. Answer is along the line of "of course".

Droid goes active, OF COURSE he targets the tank, and OF COURSE tank is not moving. I extricate him as he gets carbonized, he uses his CC break...then proceed to immediately force leap the droid and gets carbonized again.

I manage to get the droid in the cage, but we fail to kill him in time mostly due to super tank being carbonized, and the boss being on me and causing a lot of pushback, notably on crushing darkness. Droid gets off cage with 10k health left, carbonize me before I can even move, then get the healer. We /stuck it, explain to the tank what went wrong. We redo it, this time tank is not the droid's first target and lives, we down the droid, then kill the boss.

Take the taxi, and yep, he starts tunnel visionning again. We wipe again on a pull with lots of ranged were he also pulled another group in, and healer has enough and votekick the guy.

It goes through, healer roll his kalyo and no joke it was smoother.

The then kicked tank started whispering me asking why he was kicked, that he was doing a good job and that dps should have taken more on them.

I answered along the line of "Dude, I'm a sorc. I had 2-3 on me most of the time, and that was pushing it."
When he answers that he's seens sorc with whole group on them in dailies area, I understand how he has no idea what HM 55 are, and I tell him so. He starts showing an opening to advice, I tell him to hold it, finish the FP with a now good sin-tank, altough suffering from the ever fun spikiness. And proceeded to explain him tanking 101, and how HM 55 mobs were NOT your average mob you see in solo quest area. Namely, they could melt a sorc in a few seconds. I went over his cooldowns and their use with him, specs and such, and he said he would work on it.

The good ending in this is I met that tank again last night, he was looking for people for EoT in the Black Hole area, and I figured "heck why not".

The changes were astounding. Nearly didn't pull threat (other than early fight burst alignement), and we were 3 DPS, 1 sniper in 72s, me in mostly 69 with a few 72, and a sorc not even in rakata planet comm gear, aoeing like crazy (well it WAS EoT after all).

So even the most hopeless looking tank, once you give him the kick might awaken and realize he needs to knock down the ego a notch and learn, and imo that kick in Cad is probably what is going to save him from more desastrous run, and many healer's ignore list.

That said he came up with the sudden attitude changed and asked for advice, otherwise I probably wouldn't have bothered.

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AbsolutGrndZero
10.14.2013 , 07:34 PM | #1028
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So even the most hopeless looking tank, once you give him the kick might awaken and realize he needs to knock down the ego a notch and learn, and imo that kick in Cad is probably what is going to save him from more desastrous run, and many healer's ignore list.

That said he came up with the sudden attitude changed and asked for advice, otherwise I probably wouldn't have bothered.

Wow, for a potential TL;DR post that I chose to read entirely, I am glad I did read this. This last story makes me very happy for this game. Here's to hoping for more players like him, instead of less!
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Tachenko_Yuri
10.16.2013 , 11:18 AM | #1029
somehow this thread ended in 2nd page.

Time for a story.

Cademium hm with my sorc healer.

Getting to the main event of this fantastic run,long story short:

Enitre team was going to burn xander 1st. Sorc dps getting aggro from everything. Me getting shredded by ughnaut adds at wookie boss, oh and of course a dps in low 65 pvp gear

Main event. Team's about to go get the elevator down, decided to press bonus button and ignore garold.
Damn me And the moment i did that.

clueless sorc of course didn't attempt to get minimum obstacole between him and garold to not get that pull/storm combo on him. Tank was alright, then again it was 1 lone npc, and not a mob of'em .

Keep healing with what I could. And only that. Garold enrages. something i've never, ever see happen since cademium HM's implementation in the game.

the 3 get shredded. was gonna go get myself wiped when I realize garold had only 600hp, miracle kill, right there.

Dps, don't remember which 1, goes " mate we need more heals, not dps "
ok. so I didn't touch garold with anything. He got enraged. Like, they serious?

Go to general ortol. sarcastic dps goes " this is should be fun " to which he gets replied from me " np he's not gonna enrage " . ortol gets one-shotted, was gonna throw a cheeky "l2p" at the end, didn't bother though, not worth it.
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sithBracer
10.16.2013 , 12:01 PM | #1030
Quote: Originally Posted by Tachenko_Yuri View Post
Enitre team was going to burn xander 1st. Sorc dps getting aggro from everything. Me getting shredded by ughnaut adds at wookie boss, oh and of course a dps in low 65 pvp gear
If you are a healer its expected the adds come after you, you should have been standing on top of the car. This gives the tank enough time to plan the adds burning. Hell some tanks ignore them until just before the wookie dies, then they AoE taunt them all and pull them into the flame. Another strategy is to just kil the wookie, AoE taunt the adds run to the edge and have an inquisitor or merc knock them all off. Also, PvP gear is fine for dps and healers in a 55hm... tanks not so much.

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Main event. Team's about to go get the elevator down, decided to press bonus button and ignore garold.
Damn me And the moment i did that.

clueless sorc of course didn't attempt to get minimum obstacole between him and garold to not get that pull/storm combo on him. Tank was alright, then again it was 1 lone npc, and not a mob of'em .

Keep healing with what I could. And only that. Garold enrages. something i've never, ever see happen since cademium HM's implementation in the game.
Sorry do not understand that one? You guys wanted to skip him and the sorc pulled him? It's normal post 2.4 to push the console to get the comms but not fight the boss since he only gives BM trash. I personally always make sure to ask if we are skipping or not before I do anything since some players want to fight him and others think skipping means not getting the comms.
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