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Exar Kun vs Darth Vader vs Jaina Solo

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Exar Kun vs Darth Vader vs Jaina Solo

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LadyKulvax
05.01.2013 , 06:22 AM | #1
The arguably most powerful force user of the entire of pre-Ruusan history.

The Chosen One and greatest Jedi Killer on record.

The Sword of the Jedi and proclaimed future of the entire New Jedi Order by Grand Master Luke himself.

All of these combatants have very specialised fighting styles and they all have very unique traits, whom would come out on-top?
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Wolfninjajedi
05.01.2013 , 09:32 AM | #2
Ho hum...not too knowledgeable on Jaina other then her fight with Caedus(where she was being amped by Luke). But I can take on Exar Kun vs Darth Vader in which Vader wins.

Kun's Force Drain would be rather useless against Vader, given he is immune thanks to learning how to defend against it from Ulic Qel-Droma to protect himself from the Dark Reaper which is pretty much a big Force Draining super weapon.

His Force Blast is rather...inconsistent while he did kill Massassi Warriors, a wyrm and portions of a Massassi Temple walls that was because his gauntlets were charged coming from the Temple and the darkside. But then when he went to confront Ulic and Aleema, he fails to kill Aleema with a blast which only knocked her out.

However this isn't to say said Force Blasts wouldn't hurt Vader, it just isn't a one shot kill especially with the crap that Vader has been through, he has to be one of the most durable and stubborn *** Sith Lords ever cause he just won't die.

In TK, that edge goes to Vader.

Dueling wise Vader does have the edge here, while Kun does have some nice dueling feats himself. Vader has fought more powerful and multiple opponents, and really while Kun could have beaten Vodo when trying to kill him(speculation) he had to reveal his double bladed saber which at the time was very new, and Vodo didn't have a defense against it.

Whereas Vader, fought with a Darth Maul clone and was at his equal when he was using his double bladed saber. This was still before he even reached his peak in dueling too, so the edge goes to Vader in that regard and also the fact that to Kun(and possible Jaina) his fighting style would be complete alien to the former.

As for Kun vs Jaina...no idea, cause I ain't familiar with Jaina so steering clear of that one.
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LadyKulvax
05.01.2013 , 10:39 AM | #3
Exar Kun's weakest showing of force blast was 1.Whilst he was off-guard and 2.Was against Aleema Keto whom herself was very learned in Sith sorcery, so had adequate defences to defend against it.

When it comes to duelling, he fought almost always one-handed as a full master of the Niman fighting style making him a jack-of-all-trades duellist and the design of Kun's weapon(regular saber hilt length) made him extremely fast with it, so whilst Vader has fought very skilled duellists, he has not faced any duellist in the style of Exar Kun before.

That is his main strength, he is so unorthodox that no amount of preparation could give an edge, Maul is your typical saberstaff duellist wielding Juyo and Jar'kai and whilst he was very good, the weapon's size slowed him down and also made him a bit predictable, which as it states in TPM novel, allowed Obi-Wan to read his moves and split Maul's weapon.

The difference here is that not only can he duel somebody, instead of telekinetics like Vader, he has blasts of pure dark side energy to attack with randomly and simultaneously at that.
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Wolfninjajedi
05.01.2013 , 11:28 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
Exar Kun's weakest showing of force blast was 1.Whilst he was off-guard and 2.Was against Aleema Keto whom herself was very learned in Sith sorcery, so had adequate defences to defend against it.

When it comes to duelling, he fought almost always one-handed as a full master of the Niman fighting style making him a jack-of-all-trades duellist and the design of Kun's weapon(regular saber hilt length) made him extremely fast with it, so whilst Vader has fought very skilled duellists, he has not faced any duellist in the style of Exar Kun before.

That is his main strength, he is so unorthodox that no amount of preparation could give an edge, Maul is your typical saberstaff duellist wielding Juyo and Jar'kai and whilst he was very good, the weapon's size slowed him down and also made him a bit predictable, which as it states in TPM novel, allowed Obi-Wan to read his moves and split Maul's weapon.

The difference here is that not only can he duel somebody, instead of telekinetics like Vader, he has blasts of pure dark side energy to attack with randomly and simultaneously at that.
While right, Vader isn't a stranger to the double bladed saber which in Kun's time that saber was rather new and others didn't know how to defend against it, I mean aside from Vodo(which he didn't really outskill Vodo, he just broke his staff, but again speculation he probably would have won against him using the double bladed saber) he only stalemated against Ulic(single saber yes, but he would still be using his style). So that advantage for Kun is gone with his double bladed saber(in the sense of it being a surprise and something that Vader hasn't dealt with before), and while he maybe unorthodox Vader is too with his own technique to bare as it encompasses all forms of saber combat rather then just the 1, and Vader has shown to use Force attacks too during his duels.

As I said the Force Blasts would hurt Vader sure, however that doesn't give him the win. Vader does have other powers to use at his disposal such as Force Absorb, Force Barrier and so on.
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LadyKulvax
05.01.2013 , 11:52 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
While right, Vader isn't a stranger to the double bladed saber which in Kun's time that saber was rather new and others didn't know how to defend against it, I mean aside from Vodo(which he didn't really outskill Vodo, he just broke his staff, but again speculation he probably would have won against him using the double bladed saber) he only stalemated against Ulic. So that advantage for Kun is gone, and while he maybe unorthodox Vader is too with his own technique to bare as it encompasses all forms of saber combat rather then just the 1.

As I said the Force Blasts would hurt Vader sure, however that doesn't give him the win. Vader does have other powers to use at his disposal such as Force Absorb, Force Barrier and so on.
His duel with Ulic-qel droma is right at the beginning of his reign, where as Ulic has been drawing on the dark side for a lot longer than that, he becomes much stronger later on, to the point where the Jedi won't even bother to engage him in open combat.

Kun's duelling skills are the edge against Vader IMO, his blasts merely being icing on the cake, the extent at which Kun masters Niman and the ease of which he can duel whilst using such heavy duty force powers makes me believe Vader would just get overwhelmed.

But this debate is leaving out the dark horse of this battle, Jaina Solo.
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Wolfninjajedi
05.01.2013 , 11:58 AM | #6
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His duel with Ulic-qel droma is right at the beginning of his reign, where as Ulic has been drawing on the dark side for a lot longer than that, he becomes much stronger later on, to the point where the Jedi won't even bother to engage him in open combat.

Kun's duelling skills are the edge against Vader IMO, his blasts merely being icing on the cake, the extent at which Kun masters Niman and the ease of which he can duel whilst using such heavy duty force powers makes me believe Vader would just get overwhelmed.

But this debate is leaving out the dark horse of this battle, Jaina Solo.
Kun has no edge against Vader in combat, being unorthodox while handy doesn't mean he is above Vader. His only thing he has above Vader, are the Force Blasts which given Vader's feats of durability its gonna take more then one and it isn't like Vader wouldn't be able to dodge them either. Kun's TK feats are rather small, compared to Vader who was throwing around ships, collapsing buildings, hurling beasts around, and so on so forth.

As for Jaina, again have no real knowledge of her so not gonna tread into that water.
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mefit
05.01.2013 , 12:06 PM | #7
I am going to say Jaina Solo !
Why ?
She was trained by EU Jedi God Skywalker , he often comments how great she will be and she in her prime is very skilled.
She took down her twin brother that has to be more powerful and skilled than Exar Kun.
Since Exar Kun's time skills have been perfected , powers have been rediscovered or discovered ...........then perfected .
We have to remember Exar did come back and he lost . What he did as a Ghost was minor .
Jaina is no Padawan !

In my opinion after reading this thread , I am of the opinion she is atleast as powerful and skilled as Galen or way more .
If so she would beat her grandfather as Galen did twice .
Jaina is Satele Shan on Roids .......

Clear Victor her is my girl Jaina !
Finally I can come out for her !

Just for head of time matches ..........
Jaina vs Revan ................Jaina
^Because Revan has to face everyone on the SWTOR threads lmao.
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LadyKulvax
05.01.2013 , 12:10 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Kun has no edge against Vader in combat, being unorthodox while handy doesn't mean he is above Vader. His only thing he has above Vader, are the Force Blasts which given Vader's feats of durability its gonna take more then one and it isn't like Vader wouldn't be able to dodge them either. Kun's TK feats are rather small, compared to Vader who was throwing around ships, collapsing buildings, hurling beasts around, and so on so forth.

As for Jaina, again have no real knowledge of her so not gonna tread into that water.
Exar Kun's most powerful display of force blast was disintegrating a Jedi Knight, whom was a direct pupil of Luke Skywalker.

It is something that could kill a force wyrm, a BIG one at that. now surviving impalement, dismemberment, force lightning and a building collapsing on him is very impressive but being disintegrated and still surviving, THAT would be impressive.

Though those are just his main weapons, Kun has plenty more.
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LadyKulvax
05.01.2013 , 12:16 PM | #9
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*snip*
Honestly, I expect Jaina could win quite easily if she played her cards right, but A>B B>C so A>C logic isn't exactly infallible, so might be best to list her strengths.
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Wolfninjajedi
05.01.2013 , 12:21 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
Exar Kun's most powerful display of force blast was disintegrating a Jedi Knight, whom was a direct pupil of Luke Skywalker.

It is something that could kill a force wyrm, a BIG one at that. now surviving impalement, dismemberment, force lightning and a building collapsing on him is very impressive but being disintegrated and still surviving, THAT would be impressive.

Though those are just his main weapons, Kun has plenty more.
Yes a Jedi Knight , not a Sith Lord encased in armor which not only is made from some of the strongest metals in the SWU but also made from Sith Alchemy, and wasn't that in the Massassi Temple that happened, Kun's place of power so wouldn't his powers be amped up from more then what he usually is? Though now wait a minute, are we using each of them at their peak? Then...wouldn't that mean, Kun would be just a spirit floating around?

There is also the matter, of where this battle is going to take place.

Then damn Kun stomps, cause it took the power from Luke's students, Luke himself and Vodo Baas to beat him. Spite thread....
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.