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Ridiculous healing for level 55 flashpoints


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Gloomycakes
05.02.2013 , 08:38 AM | #61
Being both a Tank (Guardian/Shadow/Assassin) and a healer (Scoundrel/Operative/Sorcerer/Sage) as 'main' all I can say is that level 50 Flashpoints were beyond boring. (Note: I started playing around Oktober, the days of the free recruit/Tioneese) As Tank I often found myself capable of keeping myself alive vs trash and bosses often just required an off-heal or 2. Most of my healers were DPSing all the time and as Healer I felt exactly the same, I was just DPSing or doing nothing all the time. Well once in a while a heal... It was plain boring... Absolutely boring.

Now with 2.0 it's actually challanging... Ish. As a tank I found it quite challanging, CC'ing whenever I could or ask for CC and as long as the DPS wasn't too idiotic (like rushing in or breaking CC in gear-checks) and the healer cleansed when needed (see it once, know it, right?) everything went fine. I do die often due to not getting cleansed, to me cleansing is something I never stopped being used to, but I get that due to the lack of needing cleanse a lot of healers aren't too good at using it. But that will come back and I try to remind them before bosses that need it (which turns out to only be the droid in HS, so many healers just heal through Crushing Affliction in Athiss.)

So very excited I leveled my healers and unless I get a clueless tank and DPS, it's the same old story, except now I have to cleanse and actually heal as I'd be doing in operations. I'm finally a healer again rather than a weak 3rd dps, yay! Challanging though? As long as your tank is atleast 61 (bit min-max + setbonus or 66/69 without) and uses cooldowns (well in case of a Shadow/Assassin mainly) and your DPS can go as basic as 'grey --> silver --> gold --> platinum' or use a cooldown when the tank loses aggro to them... Wait what am I saying.... even if they just have a basic clue, it's back to easy... But I'm healing, not DPSing, I'm happy again.

How can you find this Ridiculous? Unless you just got that unlucky with DPS/Tanks. I'm just glad it finally matters what everyone does, rather than 1 person being able to carry everything. And I'm happy being a healer again, rather than a 3rd DPS, mentioned it a lot, but ye... Really happy I am.

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CrownofGold
05.02.2013 , 09:33 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by eventidephoenix View Post

But then again always remember, you cannot heal stupidity
Couldn't have said it better myself!

Also, I would like everyone to know that I have run the new FPs a few more times and with a competent (and decently geared tank) I was able to do just fine.
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wainot-keel
05.02.2013 , 10:02 AM | #63
I have 3 55s playing the 3 roles and I can say these 55 can be challenging for both tanks and healers in campaign/dread guard stuff, while for dps all these are a joke (gear wise ) from the get go.
Once you upgrade a few pieces difference is noticeable.

Is just a bit of gear going from 61/63 to 66/69. And that gap is already being covered.

Yesterday I had the day off so I played several of them. It's starting to feel like it was pre 2.0. Dps and healers going ahead and pulling before the tank. Tanks not using their out of combat heal between pulls. No one bothering with CC. Hell, I had the pleasure of gettting a tank reluctant to do the bonus boss because he personally didn't need the gear.

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mikebevo
05.02.2013 , 01:53 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by wainot-keel View Post
IHell, I had the pleasure of gettting a tank reluctant to do the bonus boss because he personally didn't need the gear.
At least I have seen or heard of Tanks just leaving the group when they did not get their drop. Like they were doing last January and February.

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chuixupu
05.02.2013 , 05:52 PM | #65
This will probably come off sounding haughty, but, I jumped into my first HM right after I turned 55 on my operative healer with my level 61's, and it was way easier than I expected. I've since healed every hard mode several times, and I haven't found any of them challenging at all. Certainly nothing like Lost Island before the nerfs level challenging.
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Zalekanzer
05.02.2013 , 10:53 PM | #66
I generally enjoy tanking but occassionally mix it up with a bit of healing from time to time. I haven't leveled my operative to 55 yet, but I've got my vanguard gearing up to 69s and I've seen the amount of work my healers have to go through to keep a group up in some of the new HM FPs.

With that knowledge, I just wanted to stop and say, "Thanks guys." Seems like you got the pointy end of the stick with this expansion and as a tank, I appreciate everything you do to keep us up. I promise to keep using my cooldowns as much as possible so you won't pull out your hair.
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Astarica
05.03.2013 , 01:48 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
This will probably come off sounding haughty, but, I jumped into my first HM right after I turned 55 on my operative healer with my level 61's, and it was way easier than I expected. I've since healed every hard mode several times, and I haven't found any of them challenging at all. Certainly nothing like Lost Island before the nerfs level challenging.
The only way that's possible is if your tanks and DPS all know what they're doing, because some of the stuff in hard FPs can basically one shot anyone let alone being able to heal through it. Not that I'm saying this is impossible or unlikely, but you must be luckier than most people to have DPS/tank that know what they're doing. I find that in general, hard FPs do not require the healer know what he's doing except for the gimmick bosses that require cleanse. The deadliest enemy packs are probably the 5 dogs in Cademimu or 5 droids in Athiss. You can either CC 2 of them (and the 3 that are left still does a lot of damage), or you can hope your healer magically can heal 66% more (from 3 mobs to 5 mobs). It's never reasonable to expect a healer to just heal 66% more so the burden is on the tank/DPS.

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Brutal
05.03.2013 , 02:34 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
The only way that's possible is if your tanks and DPS all know what they're doing, because some of the stuff in hard FPs can basically one shot anyone let alone being able to heal through it. Not that I'm saying this is impossible or unlikely, but you must be luckier than most people to have DPS/tank that know what they're doing. I find that in general, hard FPs do not require the healer know what he's doing except for the gimmick bosses that require cleanse. The deadliest enemy packs are probably the 5 dogs in Cademimu or 5 droids in Athiss. You can either CC 2 of them (and the 3 that are left still does a lot of damage), or you can hope your healer magically can heal 66% more (from 3 mobs to 5 mobs). It's never reasonable to expect a healer to just heal 66% more so the burden is on the tank/DPS.
not rly i started to heal on my op in 61 gear done all fp lots of times failed only once when had 2 male on bonuss boss in hammer as dps didin't use cooldown's or any defencive tools they have

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DarthSpekulatius
05.03.2013 , 02:40 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
It's never reasonable to expect a healer to just heal 66% more so the burden is on the tank/DPS.
if you have trouble or you like to make your Heal Happy

1min stun as many as possible against the hard pulls
tell the DD's to use their in combat short time stuns
use LOS to assemble scattered ranged mobs
kill the weak first!
use Def CD's
Biochem: use Ardenals
call out at least the first focus target
interrupt
be careful with AoE, ranged attacks on low life enemies and knockbacks

I like these FP's they aren't hard but at least they aren't as mind-numbing as the old ones have been.

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Astarica
05.03.2013 , 02:58 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpekulatius View Post
if you have trouble or you like to make your Heal Happy

1min stun as many as possible against the hard pulls
tell the DD's to use their in combat short time stuns
use LOS to assemble scattered ranged mobs
kill the weak first!
use Def CD's
Biochem: use Ardenals
call out at least the first focus target
interrupt
be careful with AoE, ranged attacks on low life enemies and knockbacks

I like these FP's they aren't hard but at least they aren't as mind-numbing as the old ones have been.

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Yeah and most of that stuff isn't done by the healer. Usually about all the healer can do on a hard pull is to CC one mob. After that you sort of just got to trust your DPS/tank knows when to use thier CC/CD because nobody is going to tank 5 dogs at the same time and live for a very long time.