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Full expertise is a waste

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JustinxDuff
04.30.2013 , 07:58 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Pciloid View Post
And player, who geared in elite war hero gear (without expertise, pve gear for 50 lvl), on wz have 1800-1900 expertise.... And me, geared in partisan / conqueror - 1890 expertise. Bolster should be removed from 55 lvl warzones.
Well that is your problem. You are using old gear and power crystals.

Tip: Partisan and Conq relic procs stack.
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04.30.2013 , 08:33 AM | #12
The only tweaking they should be doing is to get rid of it in its entirety

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Atramar
04.30.2013 , 08:37 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkPharohEclip View Post
The only tweaking they should be doing is to get rid of it in its entirety
nope. Bolster is good. it prevents pvp min maxed gods from slaughterring pvp starters and makes pve'rs easyier start into world of pvp.
You will still out perform them with pvp gear, just slightly less.
yes, it needs tweaking, but everywere besides ranked WZ, it's good thing

and don't bring up recruit gear idea, they tried it and it was a fail.
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04.30.2013 , 09:53 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Pciloid View Post
Crystal (mainhand) - power, relics (+60 exp + 120 power) - old ewh, else - partisan / conqueror. I'm not trying to blame others. I saw it day by day - bolster don't work correct.
Breaking news!!!

Bolster sucks, and doesn't work as intended at level 55!!

Details at 11
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KettleBelll
04.30.2013 , 10:06 AM | #15
This thread is completely true.

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Astarica
04.30.2013 , 11:14 AM | #16
People who claim it doesn't work really have no idea what they're talking about. Bolster sort of doesn't work, but it's not for reasons you believe.

Conqueror is rating 154. Partisan is rating 150. PvE gear at rating 152 or below gets 100% the expertise of Conqueror/Partisan (well, more like 99%, but you'll still have expertise capped if your expertise is say, 2016 instead of 2018). Rating 152 gear = purple level 54 crafted items. Arkanian gear, which I think is rating 158, loses 40-50 expertise per piece, an amount that is absolutely unrecoverable by their stats.

Therefore the solution is to use rating 152 gear that is superior to Partisan (150) but still have 99% the expertise. Note that this is still strictly inferior to Conqueror, but it's way easier to find some tradeskill purple level 54s than Conqueror gear, and they do fine until you have Conqueror. That said tradeskill stuff covers only a limited number of slots, because you still need your set bonus.

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Hawkwalker
04.30.2013 , 11:26 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
People who claim it doesn't work really have no idea what they're talking about. Bolster sort of doesn't work, but it's not for reasons you believe.

Conqueror is rating 154. Partisan is rating 150. PvE gear at rating 152 or below gets 100% the expertise of Conqueror/Partisan (well, more like 99%, but you'll still have expertise capped if your expertise is say, 2016 instead of 2018). Rating 152 gear = purple level 54 crafted items. Arkanian gear, which I think is rating 158, loses 40-50 expertise per piece, an amount that is absolutely unrecoverable by their stats.

Therefore the solution is to use rating 152 gear that is superior to Partisan (150) but still have 99% the expertise. Note that this is still strictly inferior to Conqueror, but it's way easier to find some tradeskill purple level 54s than Conqueror gear, and they do fine until you have Conqueror. That said tradeskill stuff covers only a limited number of slots, because you still need your set bonus.
As long as there is a way to exploit, it is not working as intended.
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04.30.2013 , 11:29 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
People who claim it doesn't work really have no idea what they're talking about. Bolster sort of doesn't work, but it's not for reasons you believe.

Conqueror is rating 154. Partisan is rating 150. PvE gear at rating 152 or below gets 100% the expertise of Conqueror/Partisan (well, more like 99%, but you'll still have expertise capped if your expertise is say, 2016 instead of 2018). Rating 152 gear = purple level 54 crafted items. Arkanian gear, which I think is rating 158, loses 40-50 expertise per piece, an amount that is absolutely unrecoverable by their stats.

Therefore the solution is to use rating 152 gear that is superior to Partisan (150) but still have 99% the expertise. Note that this is still strictly inferior to Conqueror, but it's way easier to find some tradeskill purple level 54s than Conqueror gear, and they do fine until you have Conqueror. That said tradeskill stuff covers only a limited number of slots, because you still need your set bonus.
Crafted level 53 mods are rating 156.

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cycao
04.30.2013 , 11:34 AM | #19
Does anyone else find it sad that these topics even exist? It should be 100% without question that full PvP gear is the best option for warzones.

The fact that you have always needed some PvE gear to achieve your best stat potential and with the mess of a system bolster has been and now the augment exploit paints a pretty good picture of where PvP ranks in their priorities and understanding of what the players want.

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Astarica
04.30.2013 , 11:34 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII View Post
Crafted level 53 mods are rating 156.
Crafted level 54 purple implants are 152. Purple 28 mods are 156 (and do suffer a larger decline in expertise as their rating is above Conqueror).

Like I said it is not as easy to 'exploit' it as people think, because rating 152 gear isn't something you happen to stumble upon in large numbers. And 152 gear is still not as good as their rating 154 Conqueror counterparts, though it does save you a lot of time while you've something that's almost as good while you work on the pieces that have no rating 152 counterparts (any set armor piece, for example).