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Full expertise is a waste

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PhDWarrior
04.30.2013 , 04:16 AM | #1
Hey guys,

I am not sure this has been brought up. But has anyone else noticed that getting full partisan or conqueror gear is actually a waste of gear?

I say this because you can omit I would say 2 pieces of PVP gear for PVE gear (lets say belt and bracers) and still have expertise around 2000. The 2 pvp pieces would have contributed 218 expertise to your total, but in this case it adds a measly 18- equivalent to a tiny percentage gain in dmg increase and dmg reduction.

It is far more beneficial therefore to wear excellent PVE belt and bracers (with lvl 72 gear) to increase your numbers.

Am I the only one who thinks this is stupid? We were sold the premise that the order of quality for gear in PVP would be: PVE gear<partisan gear< conqueror gear, this is clearly not the case. Now I know they are still tweaking bolster as we speak and intend on fixing bugs regarding augments, but this feels like a problem that really lies at the core of the bolster-expertise interaction.

We need to reach a point with expertise where for all levels of PVE gear (lvl 50-72) you do not have as much power as someone with PVP gear on. Otherwise, the gear becomes effectively useless and the ill-informed nubs to the game will just blindly buy all the pvp gear they can get their hands on only to discover that they have done themselves a disservice.

I apologise of this comes under the banner of QQing about bolster, but I feel it is specific enough of a point to warrant its own discussion.

-Lin

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AngusFTW
04.30.2013 , 04:30 AM | #2
Gear of lvl 69+ loses about 50 expertise per piece.
I run 2 pve 69 weps atm and have 1911 expertise. I'm thinking of maybe going pvp offhand to up expertise esp if i ever score a 72 mainhand. The debate atm is whether the dmg increase of these high end pve weapons offset the benefits of expertise at that lvl. It wouldn't be worth it in any other slots since weapons increase dmg in areas other than the typical stats other gear has. And yes this is stupid.
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PhDWarrior
04.30.2013 , 05:31 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by AngusFTW View Post
Gear of lvl 69+ loses about 50 expertise per piece.
I run 2 pve 69 weps atm and have 1911 expertise. I'm thinking of maybe going pvp offhand to up expertise esp if i ever score a 72 mainhand. The debate atm is whether the dmg increase of these high end pve weapons offset the benefits of expertise at that lvl. It wouldn't be worth it in any other slots since weapons increase dmg in areas other than the typical stats other gear has. And yes this is stupid.
Thanks for the response,

I was not actually aware that there is an additional reduction in expertise given for a high level PVE item compared to a low level one. Is this what you are suggesting? My comment was based on a lvl 63 EWH belt (that I have not removed yet) that seemed to still bring my expertise stat to 2008, despite its now lack of expertise.

-Lin

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AngusFTW
04.30.2013 , 05:56 AM | #4
Ye there is reduction my 55 pve gear if i use all of it with mainly 69 armorings some 72 stuff gives 1500 expertise in wzs..
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Pciloid
04.30.2013 , 06:35 AM | #5
And player, who geared in elite war hero gear (without expertise, pve gear for 50 lvl), on wz have 1800-1900 expertise.... And me, geared in partisan / conqueror - 1890 expertise. Bolster should be removed from 55 lvl warzones.

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Atramar
04.30.2013 , 06:41 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Pciloid View Post
And player, who geared in elite war hero gear (without expertise, pve gear for 50 lvl), on wz have 1800-1900 expertise.... And me, geared in partisan / conqueror - 1890 expertise. Bolster should be removed from 55 lvl warzones.
are your crystals with experties or crit/power?
old pvp relics or new ones?

Sounds like you could be doing something wrong and blame others for it.
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Pciloid
04.30.2013 , 06:46 AM | #7
Crystal (mainhand) - power, relics (+60 exp + 120 power) - old ewh, else - partisan / conqueror. I'm not trying to blame others. I saw it day by day - bolster don't work correct.

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dinchydoo
04.30.2013 , 06:46 AM | #8
I think full PvP gear for some classes are not fit for purpose dose not take an a count for the sentinels change in the Alacrity in the gear that is far more Importent the surge rating.
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AngusFTW
04.30.2013 , 07:16 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Pciloid View Post
Crystal (mainhand) - power, relics (+60 exp + 120 power) - old ewh, else - partisan / conqueror. I'm not trying to blame others. I saw it day by day - bolster don't work correct.
ewh relics lose a lot of expertise so its probably that. Also i assume if you have the new pvp weapons you wanna keep the crystals as expertise to get max exp
The new power proc relics are pretty awesome especially if you get a partisan and a conqueror one since they can proc together no real reason to stay with wh.
Although they may nerf the double procs so dont go binning the old ewh relics.
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Atramar
04.30.2013 , 07:53 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Pciloid View Post
Crystal (mainhand) - power, relics (+60 exp + 120 power) - old ewh, else - partisan / conqueror. I'm not trying to blame others. I saw it day by day - bolster don't work correct.
that's why. drop power crystal for expertiese crystal. and replace ewh relics, either for pve ones (waste as they won't trigger on pvp ground by description, dunno if actually *not* working as intended) or better, for pvp ones, they are not expensive, and one proc power + one proc damage will give you far more in pvp and pve. that is first thing I upgraded for my capped RWZ comms.

after you do those 2 (4 things, 2 crystals weapon/offhand, 2 relics = 4 items) you will be fine and above pve gear again.

I wansn't being mean, it was just expression. Like when healer casts blame on tank for being squishy, while he (healer) should be clensing debuffs so tank is heal-able.

edit:you still haveto take into account, that person with weirdly to high stats, is using bolster augment exploit/bug.
also, is your gear fully augmented?
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