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The Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's PVE DPS Compendium

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The Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's PVE DPS Compendium

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oaceen
08.05.2013 , 01:29 PM | #41
8/5/13: Guide complete
added section about stats and gearing including power vs crit, alacrity vs surge vs accuracy, and a note about set bonuses and augments

added complete section on dirty fighting
(i know i didn't add any detail about the skill tree, but i don't feel it's absolutely necessary, so unless there is a request for me to do so, i will leave it out of the guide)


please don't hesitate to post if you feel anything is inaccurate or missing or have general questions about the guide.
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[Guide] The Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's PvE DPS Compendium

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Aikion
08.05.2013 , 03:54 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by oaceen View Post
8/5/13: Guide complete
added section about stats and gearing including power vs crit, alacrity vs surge vs accuracy, and a note about set bonuses and augments

added complete section on dirty fighting
(i know i didn't add any detail about the skill tree, but i don't feel it's absolutely necessary, so unless there is a request for me to do so, i will leave it out of the guide)


please don't hesitate to post if you feel anything is inaccurate or missing or have general questions about the guide.
My personal preference for applying DoTs is to do VS>SB>HB at the start of a fight or on a new target. Then when i reapply i switch up the rotation and apply VS right before HB comes off CD, then apply HB , and finally apply SB.

This has to do with the duration of the DoTs and the cooldown of HB lining up better this way. (18s for VS and 15s for SB, and 15s CD for HB). This way you never really have to track your DoTs on a target, you only have to watch the cooldown on HB during a boss fight. Which helps sometimes when I'm with a DF Gunslinger.

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oaceen
08.05.2013 , 07:44 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Aikion View Post
My personal preference for applying DoTs is to do VS>SB>HB at the start of a fight or on a new target. Then when i reapply i switch up the rotation and apply VS right before HB comes off CD, then apply HB , and finally apply SB.

This has to do with the duration of the DoTs and the cooldown of HB lining up better this way. (18s for VS and 15s for SB, and 15s CD for HB). This way you never really have to track your DoTs on a target, you only have to watch the cooldown on HB during a boss fight. Which helps sometimes when I'm with a DF Gunslinger.
i'll try this out and see if i want to have both or just go with your suggestion.

but i might be busy tomorrow with a bunch of new ewoks <_<
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[Guide] The Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's PvE DPS Compendium

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Aikion
08.06.2013 , 12:13 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by oaceen View Post
i'll try this out and see if i want to have both or just go with your suggestion.

but i might be busy tomorrow with a bunch of new ewoks <_<
It will definitely blow your mind how easy it makes tracking your DoT durations. And, same.

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Gondolindhrim
08.09.2013 , 12:08 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Aikion View Post
My personal preference for applying DoTs is to do VS>SB>HB at the start of a fight or on a new target. Then when i reapply i switch up the rotation and apply VS right before HB comes off CD, then apply HB , and finally apply SB.

This has to do with the duration of the DoTs and the cooldown of HB lining up better this way. (18s for VS and 15s for SB, and 15s CD for HB). This way you never really have to track your DoTs on a target, you only have to watch the cooldown on HB during a boss fight. Which helps sometimes when I'm with a DF Gunslinger.
Shrap Bomb is 21s, not 18.

Personally, I normally use SB > Filler > VS and refresh that every 21s, although I've been meaning to try prioritizing maximum DoT uptime (i.e. starting rotation SB > VS and refresh DoTs upon expiration) in a few parses and see if that ends up producing higher DPS.
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Aikion
08.09.2013 , 02:19 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Gondolindhrim View Post
Shrap Bomb is 21s, not 18.

Personally, I normally use SB > Filler > VS and refresh that every 21s, although I've been meaning to try prioritizing maximum DoT uptime (i.e. starting rotation SB > VS and refresh DoTs upon expiration) in a few parses and see if that ends up producing higher DPS.
Hey you're right about the Shrap Bomb duration. I'll have to investigate what exactly is going on a bit more.

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Taelizalde
08.10.2013 , 10:31 AM | #47
Great guide, deserves more attention here

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CJAShadow
08.11.2013 , 03:30 AM | #48
Thank you for the guide, Dps Scoundrel rotations pre 2.0 were very clumsy, that's why I became a sawbones healer for Nim runs and other hard content, but I really enjoy Dpsing on my Scoundrel when I can work on my rotation.

I enjoy the most playing a scrapper dps, and in some fights I feel that the higher single target burst with a short super bleed is better. Dirty Fighting is just so much more mobile and easier to parse higher with, especially in execute phases and with lots of Adds.

Scrapper-> TFB last boss

DF-> Dread Guard

3 questions:

1) Is the 2 set Freighter Flyby bonus from pvp really better for scrappers then the 2 set old back blast bonus? I would have thought that all the increases to it from the Scrapper tree would make it better.

2) Shouldn't your opening rotation be a little bit different? technically your first bleed comes from Flechette round, and so I go SF>BW>SP>VS>BB so that I start my cooldowns on BW and SP procing a little earlier.

Flyby will take the next BB spot in the opening rotation if I could get close to the boss.

3) Does Pugnacity give enough of a damage boost from increased alacrity to use on cooldown or should we only use it if we don't proc UH, have lots of energy, and have nothing on cooldown?
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oaceen
08.11.2013 , 01:59 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Gondolindhrim View Post
Personally, I normally use SB > Filler > VS and refresh that every 21s, although I've been meaning to try prioritizing maximum DoT uptime (i.e. starting rotation SB > VS and refresh DoTs upon expiration) in a few parses and see if that ends up producing higher DPS.
i considered mentioning this, and i know some scoundrels who do this, and i think it can work great in really hectic fights as it's a much easier rotation to do.
but i think it's a little inefficient, especially since vital shot has a 25% chance to tick twice, thus doing more damage than shrap bomb.
also, a little bit of lag will allow one of the ticks of nice try to tick, which should never happen when HB is up, and should be avoided in general otherwise.
Quote: Originally Posted by Taelizalde View Post
Great guide, deserves more attention here
thank you so much for saying!
Quote: Originally Posted by CJAShadow View Post
Thank you for the guide, Dps Scoundrel rotations pre 2.0 were very clumsy, that's why I became a sawbones healer for Nim runs and other hard content, but I really enjoy Dpsing on my Scoundrel when I can work on my rotation.

I enjoy the most playing a scrapper dps, and in some fights I feel that the higher single target burst with a short super bleed is better. Dirty Fighting is just so much more mobile and easier to parse higher with, especially in execute phases and with lots of Adds.

Scrapper-> TFB last boss

DF-> Dread Guard
when my scrapper does TFB, he is often the one who goes out to kill the irregularities during phase 2, and can dispatch them fairly quickly
my commando doesn't have as much trouble now, but back when grav round had to build up, it took a long time in comparison.

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3 questions:

1) Is the 2 set Freighter Flyby bonus from pvp really better for scrappers then the 2 set old back blast bonus? I would have thought that all the increases to it from the Scrapper tree would make it better.
dipstik did the math and can probably explain it a bit better.

basically though: 15% crit chance for 5 back blasts (5 per minute) = 1 extra tick of xs freighter flyby

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2) Shouldn't your opening rotation be a little bit different? technically your first bleed comes from Flechette round, and so I go SF>BW>SP>VS>BB so that I start my cooldowns on BW and SP procing a little earlier.

Flyby will take the next BB spot in the opening rotation if I could get close to the boss.
this is inefficient 70% of the time as BW will come off CD after BB, but if SP procs round two, you'll have 2 stacks of upper hand.

if you check the opener closely, FR dots are spaced 6s apart, and vital shot actually does a lot of damage, so it should be up as much as possible, not just to get upper hand procs with turn the tables

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3) Does Pugnacity give enough of a damage boost from increased alacrity to use on cooldown or should we only use it if we don't proc UH, have lots of energy, and have nothing on cooldown?
i generally use it along with cool head unless i have 2 stacks of upper hand.
the real damage boost imo is an extra sucker punch you can throw in.

that said, 20% alacrity (10% from pugnacity + 6% from rolling punches + 2% from black market mods + 2% from gear) is 5 attacks in 6s instead of only 4, so it can do quite a lot with your adrenal, on-use relic, inspiration, etc. to throw out some quick attacks successively and get the most out of the damage boost without pushing back your rotation.
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[Guide] The Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's PvE DPS Compendium

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oaceen
08.15.2013 , 06:00 AM | #50
so i know that my guide includes the use of quick shot for scrapper (even with the caveat that it's rarely used)

i'm finding now that fitting sabo into my rotation is not difficult, and i used quick shot so rarely that i just took it off of my bar.


is that roughly what everyone is finding? i'm considering taking quickshot completely out and putting some info about sabotage charge for scrapper.

is anyone using this for dirty fighting? i don't really feel it has a place in the rotation as back blast fills any gaps fairly nicely, but if anyone disagrees, i'll test it out.



still need to test out aikion's opener as well. been too busy with tauntauns, ewoks, and bounty hunting. oops.
oaceen assault specialist / oac scrapper / oacao kinetic combatant / oacianado tactician
[Guide] The Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's PvE DPS Compendium